What connects the ancient Megalithic cave artists of South Africa, the Shamans of South America and the Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt?

Graham Hancock in the presentation below shows that the connecting element of all these (and other) cultures is the use of psychedelic plants that cause visions. Although the plants used from each region are completely different, each non-the-less contains the same active element: Dimethyltryptamine or DMT (HERE), known as the "spirit molecule" that when taken results in mystical experiences..

The consumption of DMT for ritual purposes causes, as Hancock explains, visions of numerous things including meeting "Grey aliens", flying saucer type UFO's and a range of curious human-animal creatures that impart knowledge and wisdom to the individual/s undergoing the visionary experience.



The Shamanistic experiences discussed above, in fact replicate inner experiences of (what Jung termed) the Collective Unconscious that result from deep meditative "inner" journeys where the ingestion of DMT or other substances is not taken, nor indeed are at all necessary.

This is because correct deep immersion meditative techniques together with slow, rhythmic breathing and other attuning techniques possibly also activate and release the naturally occurring DMT that is contained in the human system. Whether or not this is the case, meditative techniques are taught by Western occult schools in order to experience altered states of consciousness and parallel words that historically has been called "astral projection". These techniques are used in conjunction with the paths and Sephiroth of the Qabalistic Tree of Life, usually known as "path working".

However, until 1994 when Dolores Ashcroft-Nowicki first published her book The Shining Paths (HERE), the use of the Tree of Life pathways for deep meditative journeys into another realm of reality was a strictly guarded secret by all Western occult schools and lodges.

The ToL has been described as the "Mighty All-Embracing glyph of the Soul of Man and the Universe" of the Western mystery tradition and is used as a sort of route map of the Collective Unconscious that aids navigating in the there and then - as opposed to the here and now - and which can be done safely and in a controlled and structured way.

My own understanding of why use of substances like DMT is no longer an essential elements for experiencing inner journeys is that consciousness is spreading and humans are correspondingly becoming more attuned (as unlikely as this presently seems in these dark times). The binding denseness of matter is now less than it once was. This, I think, is related to the current unfolding of "Daath" - sometimes depicted as the 11th Sephirah of the Tree of Life and which is translated as "Knowledge". Although often discussed in an individual sense, Daath can as just as easily be considered in a collective setting. It refers to a state of becoming conscious.

When I first began studying the Qabalah fifty years ago, Daath was discussed only in passing and not at all deeply. Today, it is considered equal to and as meaningful as any of the Ten Sephiroth.

Unreported evidence of reports by the CIA to kill Fidel Castro had backfired on President Kennedy. Silvia Oido had informed the company that three men had visited her apartment while one of the men was introduced to her as Leon Oswald. She further said that during a phone conversation someone had told her "Kennedy should have been shot", it turned out that these men were Silvia Oido's father's friends.

Silvia later lost her secretarial job in Dallas and concidered suicide after being contacted repeatedly by the FBI. The then commissioner and later mayor of Miami, Maurice Ferre, would help Silvia Odio move to Miami where her brother worked for Mr. Ferre.

Mr. Ferre would later be questioned by the FBI for helping Mrs. Oido in her move. During an arugmenment we know that Mr. KAISER pulled a gun and threaten to kill Mr. Ferre, what we don't know is the reason a gun was pulled and placed to Mr. Ferre's head.

(If I were a betting man, and knowing my father, not just me saying this, but, I'd like to add *anyone who knew my father, knew he was involved.)

If this story has a happy ending we do know that someone was impersonating Lee H. Oswald, and Mr. Ferre is still alive.

This is just a minor curiosity of mine, and it's not super relevant to the big picture of the JFK assassination, but I wanted to post it here to see what others thought.

I have been investigating pedophile networks run by a man named John David Norman: http://cavdef.org/w/index.php?title=John_Norman He ran a nationwide pedophile ring in Dallas called the Odyssey Foundation, until he got busted in 1973. The clients of his Dallas ring included "prominent people and some federal employees in Washington", and the list was passed on to the State Department which subsequently destroyed it. Then Norman fled to the Chicago area, where he established a similar ring called the Delta Project, luring boys into prostitution and transporting them around the country. When he was arrested by Chicago police in 1978, police found as many as 100,000 index cards listing the names of Norman's clients across the United States. (Franklin scandal victim Paul Bonacci has mentioned an eerily similar ring in Chicago whose clients included elite pedophiles from Omaha.) In the 1980s Norman briefly made a child pornography magazine in Pennsylvania called Handy Andy, before that got busted and he jumped bail for quite a while. He died a few years ago while institutionalized at a California mental hospital, having clearly shown himself to be an unrepentant pedophile. Also curious is the fact that Norman was linked to two serial killers with very similar MOs: Dean Corll in Houston (who was likely a member of Norman's operation) and John Wayne Gacy in Chicago (who employed Norman's partner Phillip Paske).

Anyway, while doing research into the background of Norman, I came across something in the HSCA volumes concerning Jack Ruby: http://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/r...logies.pdf It says that on November 13, 1962, "Ruby moves from 500 Marsalis to 223 South Ewing St., apartment 207" and that the "Receipt for $40 deposit on 223 South Ewing is signed by John D. Norman". Could just be a weird coincidence with another John D. Norman in Dallas -- in fact, I don't know for sure if John Norman the pedophile ring operator was even in Dallas at this point -- but I found this interesting. Ruby was suspected of being involved in prostitution, even if it didn't get into child prostitution like it did for Norman. After sitting on this John D. Norman connection for a while, I decided to see what other people more well-versed in the JFK case make of this.

Norman was born October 13, 1927, making him 35 at the time. His early criminal record spanned multiple states:

New York Times, Alleged Homosexual Ring Found In a Raid on Apartment in Dallas, 1973/08/16 Wrote:It was learned that Norman has an arrest record in Houston for sexual assaults in 1954 and 1956, but disposition of the cases was not immediately known.

He also has convictions in California in 1963 for such assaults and in 1971 for sending obscene literature through the mail, a Federal charge. He was also committed to a state hospital by the California Department of Mental Hygiene as sex offender.

Well well well. Seems like saner heads may be prevailing at CP:

October 22, 2018

Yes, Virginia, There are ConspiraciesI Think

The well known video of Clint Hill and Don Lawton being waved off the rear of the JFK limo seems to show a puzzled Lawton and is part of the evidence for a Secret Service stand down. Clint Hill's story, which makes little sense since he too was waved off, is that Lawton was supposed to remain behind to prepare for the return trip. In this video interview of Hill (starting at (5:53), he claims he had just talked to Lawton and verified this account. I suppose Lawton has been interviewed on this issue. Anyone know about Lawton's account?

Michael LeFlem does his usual thorough and acute job on Major Ganis and his book on Skorzeny, the Congo and the JFK case.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kenne...o-kill-jfk

Yep, a crap title. But accurate.

Others here may, or may not, have had an interest in the Priory of Sion as it emerged in the best selling book published in 1981 Holy Bloody and Holy Grail by three authors who were or at least are, I believe Freemasons.

It was a book that certainly caught my imagination and I spent some years researching this subject. In the course of that I joined an internet forum (now closed to all but invited members) and during my membership I was informed of a number of intriguing things. If my memory serves almost all of the member of that forum were interested in the occult.

Following threads leading outward from there I came across a network of post war fascists, educated Nazi's to be accurate, who were deeply mired in the PoS story. One name that now springs to mind was Colonel John Driscoll who was said to have been the No. 2 in the CIA station in Paris and involved in founding the hoax that we know as the Priory of Sion. Whether this is actually true or not I don't know for sure, but it certainly accords with some of the visitors he had at the Castle he bought in Limerick, Ireland after he retired and left Paris.

Upon retirement he changed his name to the more Irish Sean O'Driscoll and bought Matrix Castle - and since Merovingians (an integral part of the Priory story) appear in the 3rd Matrix film trilogy, if not the second too, there clearly is a connection to the name Matrix - unless you happen to believe in coincidences (I do not).

As the curious tine little website ( http://www.askaboutireland.ie/narrative-...-drisdoll/ ) reveals:

Quote:

Sean O'Driscoll
Sean O'Driscoll was an American who served in the US Air Force during the Second World War. In 1945, he engineered the first defection from behind the Iron Curtain, through the escape of Theodore Schmidt.

O'Driscoll served for a time as aide to Charles Lindbergh, who was the first man to fly solo across the Atlantic. He also worked with John Wheeler, who was the first person to discover black holes. Later in life, he moved to Ireland and bought Castle Matrix in Co. Limerick.

Quote:The curiosity here is that many of the early, and some of the founding members, were formerly with wartime intelligence services, mostly the OSS. These included Crolian Edelen, Robert Formhals, Robert Gayre, John Driscoll, George Balling and Forest Barber all of whom had also earlier been Shickshinny knights, a so called "fake" Order that claimed descent from the Russian Grand Priory of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem. The Shickshinny knights boasted some really heavy weight English and American pro nazi military and intelligence officers. [30]

Note: Footnote 30 links the reader to a further article of mine titled The Spoils of War HERE, which into more details of the Shickshinny Knights, Nazi and Japanese plunder from WWII and a section of the Priory of Sion.

Continuing:

The full title of NOR was actually The Noble Order of the Rose of Lippe [hello Peter - :-)] the family name of Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, a Nazi spy and, imo, the traitor who organised - with VIP others in Britain - the betrayal Operation Market Garden, General Montgommery's audacious plan to capture the Dutch bridges concluding with the bridge at Arnhem, thus providing direct access into the Ruhr, the industrial heartland of Germany. Had the operation been successful - and it very nearly was - it would most likely have seen the war come to an end by Christmas 1944 -- which would've really screwed Martin Bormann's plan to relocate the Fourth Reich to Argentina with all their loot plus all the advanced weapon technology. Which was very, very advanced indeed.

A further extract from Princes of Plunder:

This transcript appeared on Facebook earlier today. It's very interesting and I felt was worth reposting. An earlier discussion with the two is also floating around somewhere. Alan Dale's great website, with more discussions with researchers, is here -

http://www.jfkconversations.com

Midway through the transcript, Scott and Dale make mention of the 1967 USS Liberty attack during a discussion about the US and other countries using provocations through that era. Joan Mellen's new book BLOOD IN THE WATER, out next month, is about that incident, and is linked here.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Blood-Water-Is...oan+mellen



Alan Dale speaks with Professor Peter Dale Scott, May, 2013.


ALAN DALE: We're speaking with Professor Peter Dale Scott. I've heard you say that as a young person I mean there's so much that I would like to be able to address with you, which we cannot even begin to scratch the surface in an hour, but you're a figure whose personal story, not merely in relation to these extraordinarily complex and important subjects; your personal story is inspiring and fascinating. The fact that you began by thinking you did not intend to become an academic, you did not look forward to being a professor Boy! How'd that work out for you?! - the idea that you…

PROFESSOR SCOTT: I didn't want to be like my father, who was a professor who wrote poetry and got into politics.

ALAN DALE: Well! Great job! And I also think that it's very valuable to look at your example about your experience; what it meant to you to have an opportunity to live in a country like Poland during the era when you lived there, and how that informed your understanding and your perceptions of contrasting mechanisms of power.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: Being followed by the Secret Police in Poland for example, very conspicuously followed. Yes, that was part of my formation. I very much enjoyed my two years in Poland, by the way. I mean I never knew the Secret Police, but I knew some of the other politicians. I mostly knew journalists and artists, and a few political figures. Actually I knew a man who became the last communist Prime Minister of Poland and then his successor, the first Catholic Prime Minister of Poland; I knew them both. That's what I liked about Poland; it was a bit like Canada: everybody knew everybody. I loved that!

ALAN DALE: It occurs to me, I don't know that I've ever heard anyone ask if you are working on an autobiography.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: Many people ask, and my answer is I've got other things to do first.

ALAN DALE: I understand.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: My long poems… Coming to Jakarta. It's a trilogy actually; between the three volumes there's a certain amount of autobiography in there.

ALAN DALE: When we referred to trans-national aspects to President Kennedy's assassination, which is primarily our focus here today. One of the essential centers that should be the subject of our attention is Mexico; Mexico City six and seven weeks prior to the assassination and interesting a much better understanding now as the result of scholarship of some very, very serious and very important researchers. The relationship of what was called the DFS, a corrupt State Police Mexico State Police, which was - susceptible to criminal influence let me put it that way. I know you could speak about it for quite some time, and I'm curious to know, when you refer to Richard Cain, and what his areas of expertise included, which is wire-tapping and things like that, do we have any reason to believe that there was a connection between the Chicago mob and the DFS?

PROFESSOR SCOTT: Oh yes, I think so, because the DFS Direccion Federal de Seguridad - was already at that time, in fact from its creation back in 1949-50 by really with the help of - the FBI, and then eventually OPC, which became CIA. It was Americans helped create it and it was created out of the drug traffic people who were drug-traffickers. So the drug traffic is the lynchpin between the DFS who they were more like a CIA than a police force. They were an investigation/intelligence agency, and with all of their heads were CIA assets, and they were the people who handled the investigation of the Kennedy assassination in Mexico, bringing in Sylvia Duran and so on.

But, yes, Richard Cain had worked for them because we it would be wonderful if we'd heard that he had installed wiretaps in the Soviet and Cuban embassies. We don't know that. We do know, as a fact, that he installed wiretaps in the Czech embassy, so he was part of that whole wiretapping operation…

ALAN DALE: Right. ENVOY. LI/ENVOY.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: And it wasn't directly the CIA that was wiretapping; it was outsourced.

ALAN DALE: And it was outsourced to the DFS, which monitored the source of the recordings, which were then transcribed by Boris and Anna Tarasoff which are the original Oswald tapes, which are the subject of enormous interest and controversy.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: Exactly, and what is also interesting is that the man an American outside the embassy that was handling all this, was one of the three people that had his name comes up in the Watergate investigation, I don't I've had too much about Watergate, but it's another example of the overlap. And I'm very interested in the fact that there was an Oswald "legend": the connection to Cuba was actively sort of developed in Mexico City when a man came in, identified himself as Oswald, and then made a phone call later on and so on. I don't think that was Oswald. And I think the fact that his Russian was not very good is one of the things that is pointed to as saying that it couldn't have been Oswald, but there's actually a hand-written notation in one of the documents that said that the man who was being taped spoke terrible Russian and terrible English. Terrible English?! How could he possibly have been Lee Harvey Oswald?

ALAN DALE: It's absurd.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: So I think that, yes, Mexico City is relevant to the assassination because of the creation of Oswald's legend. I don't think Oswald was there. A more important city for me that not enough people talk about is Acapulco, because we do know that one of Mary Ferrell's suspects in the assassination, Gordon McLendon, went rushing down to Acapulco to Mexico. We don't know for a fact where he went, very suddenly in the summer of '63. He took his family with him, and I think that he went to he had a good friend in Acapulco who was a man called Frank Brandstetter. Have you heard that name before?

ALAN DALE: I have not. I have not.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: There are two biographies of him and I recommend them both Frank Brandstetter. Each biography tells us a great deal, and the names that turn up, like George De Mohrenschildt! My chief, chief suspect in the phase one stage of the assassination is a man called John Crichton; you recognise that name.

ALAN DALE: Yes.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: He was the head of this 488th Army Intelligence Reserve unit in Dallas, which to me is a focal point. George Lumpkin, who was the head of the Intelligence Division in the Dallas Police, was a member of it, and they say that something like 50 police officers were in this Intelligence Reserve unit, one of them being Don Stringfellow, who sent this falsified cable about Oswald having been a card-carrying communist who'd been to Cuba.

So I see the 488th division as being very, very important in the assassination, and one of its members was Frank Brandstetter down in Acapulco, who in addition was, because of his Army Intelligence status, that his hotel, the Las Brisas, which had a bunch of villas behind it, was used by the CIA when they had guests coming from Europe, and they were shepherding them down to Mexico City. They would then go to Frank Brandstetter's hotel. So he had a secure room with a secure line to the CIA and to the embassy in his hotel and important meetings would take place there.

Also something, by the way, to encourage young people to do their own research. I went to Rex Bradford's website; it's the Mary Ferrell Foundation website; getting ready for I did this at ten o'clock this morning getting ready for this interview, and I looked up Frank Brandstetter, and I learnt for the first time that he was a source for the FBI on the activities of Sam Giancana and Moe Dalitz and Frank Sinatra, because Moe Dalitz had one of the villas on his property and Frank Sinatra had another. In other words he had his own connections with organized crime right down there in Acapulco, so all of the ingredients that we see in the deep political background to the Kennedy assassination are right there in Acapulco where I suspect, for reasons it would take too long to give here, I suspect that the plot was hatched.

ALAN DALE: Wow! I've never heard that before; that's truly astonishing. But when you say a plot was hatched, it doesn't mean that all of the resources were local to that immediate environment, it means that employing the diverse resources for instance of South Florida JM/WAVE station and all of the complexity of whatever role Oswald may have consciously had as a any one of a number of possibilities: an informer, a low-level provocateur, a disposable asset, a pigeon, a dangle all of those things, that enough of these criminal elements touch upon each other in ways where one center of authority does not have to have mastery of each separate component. Is that basically correct?

PROFESSOR SCOTT: Yes. I would go along with all of that. All I'm talking about in Acapulco are connections. So the shooter, for example, it's very very unlikely I think that the shooter would have been there, and I don't know who the shooter was. And there's one other thing when we're talking about transnational connections is the French. They keep turning up over and over and over. The day of the assassination a top he was the top French Intelligence officer in Washington. He was about to resign, or maybe he just resigned - I think he has just resigned; a man called Phillipe Thyraud de Vosjoli. He says: The president has been assassinated; my goodness, I have to get out of America immediately; I can't go to Quebec because there are too many De Gaulle agents up there so I'll go to my friend Frank Brandstetter.

And so he describes how he goes down to Frank Brandstetter in Acapulco. Actually one of the biographies of Brandstetter says that on that particular day Brandstetter was in Dallas, because he had a house in Dallas, and so that Thyraud actually went to Dallas and then the two of them went on to Acapulco. James Angleton had recruited Thyraud de Vosjoli as a double agent.

And, well the short - come back to the Kennedy assassination - we have a CIA document saying that there was a man called Souetre from France in Dallas on that day. It doesn't say he did the shooting, but we do know that Souetre, the Souetre in France that we know about it's a very unusual name, Souetre - was not just an intelligence agent but one involved with the assassination plots against De Gaulle, so that creates in the background the possibility that the assets trying to shoot De Gaulle had been used by somebody in the CIA to shoot Kennedy.

That I can't prove of course, but it is a matter of record that Thyraud de Vosjoli was Angleton's agent and Thyraud de Vosjoli was one of these people who had become very anti-De Gaulle. His reasons: he's written a book about it called Lamire, which I recommend, where he talks about going to Frank Brandstetter. De Gaulle had become involved with the communists and the communists had now penetrated De Gaulle's network, and by the way, other documents; well, it's in one of the Brandstetter biographies that the same man, Thyraud de Vosjoli, suspected that the communists had penetrated Kennedy's government, which establishes him as being therefore very anti-Kennedy.

And furthermore this is all so important one of the Brandstetter biographies shows that Brandstetter shared these political views of De Gaulle, and not only that, talked about Kennedy's complete failure first at the Bay of Pigs well, there's no debating that but, more controversially, Kennedy's total failure at the Missile Crisis! Now that is a very, very significant opinion, because that is what some of the top generals - particularly the air force general, General Le May they felt that a great opportunity had been so totally missed in the Missile Crisis - the opportunity to invade Cuba; that Kennedy's behavior on it was at the best abject, but more possibly traitorous the word traitorous does come up.

So we're dealing with a state of mind which was Jim Douglass in his book JFK and The Unspeakable explores that very persuasively. One of the people two of the people who shared this were Frank Brandstetter and Thyraud de Vosjoli: that Kennedy had let the country down.

ALAN DALE: Let them down and relinquished, basically, the opportunity to make up for the debacle at the Bay of Pigs that if he wasn't going to go in, if regime change wasn't going to happen, and maybe not only regime change but take advantage of what the Chiefs were desperately encouraging President Kennedy to do, which was…

PROFESSOR SCOTT: Well, yes, people point at this point to the Northwoods documents. Actually the Northwoods documents were not commissioned by the Joint Chiefs of Staff; the Northwoods documents were commissioned by General Lansdale in his capacity as Chief of Operation Mongoose. But they were for people who haven't heard of them - they're very scary plans; the Joint Chiefs signed off on them in the sense that they forwarded them to Lansdale for Mongoose: that they would stage mock events, including shooting down a plane and killing people.

And so these documents: a lot of people don't know, but they're all there by the way on the Mary Ferrell Foundation website, you can read them for yourself. They don't stop in 1960; the ones that were approved in March. There are other documents, and the thinking continued; it's contingency planning, it's not: we're going to do this; it's more: well, we could do this; this is what we would do if we decided to do something else. But I see a real as I've said in one of my last books, American War Machine, that Northwoods-type thinking I think went into the Tonkin Gulf incidents - provocations and that some of the Northwoods-type documents were under General Maxwell Taylor who replaced Lemnitzer; the famous ones were under Lemnitzer, and he served out his term and then Kennedy put someone in who he thought was a friend, but actually was really very friendly…

ALAN DALE: I agree completely, and I wonder if Robert Kennedy regretted naming one of his sons after Maxwell Taylor.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: Yes, this is what has to be explored, because Maxwell Taylor was certainly a hawk on Vietnam and I think he was a hawk on Cuba. And the contingency plans could here again Lamar Waldron has written, not one but actually two books, and I think that he's misguided in thinking that it was a plan to invade a Plan C - and I've taken him to task for this: there are contingency plans which exist and they're there on the Mary Ferrell website but the contingency plans are not actual plans, but they do betray the state of mind of the people who were writing them up and it is very clear, as you yourself said, that the Joint Chiefs haven't let go of the idea of invading Cuba and I do agree by the way with the idea underlying what Roselli leaked to Jack Anderson in '67: that there's an overlap between those plans and what happened in Dallas.

That is, I think, one big possibility, just as the fact that Angleton was in touch with anti-Gaullist members of the French Intelligence, and that they had, apparently, a representative in Dallas on November 22nd. Those are also a possibility, and of course when we come back to Acapulco they overlap, because Thyraud de Vosjili is in Acapulco after the assassination and he - with Frank Brandstetter and he is French Intelligence, but Frank Brandstetter met Thyraud de Vosjili when they were both in Cuba before Castro took over and Thyraud stayed on in Cuba and claims to have been one of the first warners about Soviet missiles turning up in Cuba, so he is in the background of the Cuban Missile Crisis. It's all one big enchilada to paraphrase… So if you go to Acapulco you haven't given up on the French, you haven't given up… All of them are connected in Acapulco.

ALAN DALE: With regard to the Northwoods mentality, as late as I mean who knows it would only be speculation on my part about anything in terms of our modern era, but as late as 1967 some of the principal participants in making executive decisions, who were still on the scene, were engaged in this thing pertaining to the USS Liberty, which they called Operation Cyanide, and USS Liberty was this intelligence ship with no armaments whatsoever. It was off the coast of Egypt and then was attacked, and it's a very vulgar and very ugly and very despicable and terrible and tragic story. And it has, it certainly superficially anyway, looks like exactly one of these false flag kinds of operations. to cover...

PROFESSOR SCOTT: That was a by-product of the Six-Day War, of course. It was in wartime conditions. It was inexcusable but it wasn't, shall we say, totally gratuitous, because Israel did not want Americans to know what they were doing on the mainland so they attacked a US ship. They did.

ALAN DALE: Exactly, yes. With regard to this thing about Souetre, or someone named Michel Michael Mertz using the name Souetre.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: I think Mertz is a scramble to cover for Souetre: I don't think it's Mertz, I think it is Souetre.

ALAN DALE: Well, that's very interesting. And so do we have reason to connect William King Harvey and his QJ/WIN subject - his - one of his ZR/RIFLE employees on salary; $7,200 annually plus expenses with that figure in Dallas that was picked up and deported either the day of or two days after?

PROFESSOR SCOTT: Well, this is not my area of great strength, but yes, I do think that the fact that the CIA had developed a sort of in waiting assassination capability in ZR/RIFLE is relevant. The fact that they hid it in the communications section ZR normally refers to communications, and that's why these various wiretaps down in Mexico City are also a ZR-type operation; a different one, obviously, in the same category, and that Harvey had done that. Yes, Harvey's a suspect in many, many, many ways, and it comes down, actually, that the two top suspects in the CIA, both dead now, were Angleton and Harvey. I don't think they were on the same team, actually, because I think Angleton certainly acts as if he too is suspicious of Harvey, and it is Angleton whose investigations are the source for our knowing that Harvey was seeing Roselli as late as June of 1963. A little personal note here, I told you that Bobbs-Merrill told me not to have anything about the assassination in my book?

ALAN DALE: Yes

PROFESSOR SCOTT: At the time Bobbs-Merrill's legal adviser was William Harvey.

ALAN DALE: Oh my God! Unbelievable! Truly astonishing.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: What goes around, comes around. Now that doesn't, of itself, again prove anything. It's possible that it was only Harvey in the CIA, and possibly only Angleton, possibly the two of them. But of the two, Angleton certainly had the better connection to Brandstetter, because they both were very Angleton was the point man on looking for the Soviet mole in the CIA, but Brandstetter was feeding - using his secure line to Mexico City and then Washington from his hotel to communicate information about moles in the CIA, so he and Angleton are on the same team in that department. And there's a very bad book about the Kennedy assassination by a man also called Douglas, but a different Douglas, but it has what purports to be a DIA document in it about Kennedy's behavior, and that they suspected the DIA suspected Kennedy himself of improper relationships to the KGB, and I think it is true, you see, I mean because of the terrible mistrust between Kennedy and the CIA, and the FBI in 1963, it is true that Kennedy was using his own channels to communicate to Khrushchev because he was trying to defuse the Cold War, starting conspicuously with his June 10th speech, where he said "We are all mortal" and that we cannot go on planning to kill each other because some day, if we don't watch out, we will.

ALAN DALE: No, you're exactly right and a lot of the most thoughtful researchers a lot of the most thoughtful historians - note that the point at which there is a peaceful resolution to the Cuban Missile Crisis basically freed President Kennedy to pursue the things that he considered to be to the advantage of humanity over the coming decades, and that included not merely the extraordinary admission on June 10th of '63 that we should re-evaluate our attitudes towards the people of the Soviet Union, whose great achievements in everything: in art, in literature, in valor including losing 20 million people in their opposition to Hitler during World War II, but that wasn't the only thing. He also negotiated and installed a direct line between his desk in the Oval Office and Nikita Khrushchev's desk at the Kremlin, and bypassed some of those Machiavellian necessities of the intelligence agencies and the State Department and all of that. So he was really going out on his own, and in terms of having the…

PROFESSOR SCOTT: Don't forget the third one, and it doesn't sound like a big deal now, but it was then, he concluded a treaty with the Soviet Union to end open-air testing. The important thing about that was this was the first treaty signed between the United States and the Soviet Union since the treaty in 1955 which neutralized Austria, which was in the interests of both countries. And the reason there had been no treaties is you still had people in the US Government who were planning for the ending of the Soviet Union, and in fact it we had them down to the 1980s, when they were successful. So that for him to have done that was a great shock at the time.

And to come back to this alleged DIA document, which I think could be genuine, to do these things Kennedy had to go outside his regular agencies and that absolutely was a red flag inside the CIA, inside Army Intelligence and for all I know, inside the FBI: enough to make all three of them just say "We have a president here who's out of control and we have to do something about it". So it may have been a very it may not have involved a great many people, the plot to kill the president, but I think it could very plausibly have involved a great many agencies, because of the fact the Kennedy was operating outside agencies, and that's not normal behavior for a president and is not going to go unnoticed.

ALAN DALE: I understand. Before we conclude, I would like to ask: there's something that I've repeated to a number of people; some of the people with whom I speak away from this program: kind of a startling revelation; not to suggest that any of us know exactly what to make of it, but you are the source, at least for me, of the news that James Angleton delivered the sole eulogy at Howard Hughes' small private memorial service. When you learned about this was it as odd and as was it in any way unsettling, disturbing to you? How did you react when you learned this?

PROFESSOR SCOTT: Well I reacted it re-affirmed my basic notions of how this country is run, you know, yes, it's disturbing in the sense that there was that connection but let me expand a bit on that. You know that the man they called Scelso, whose real name was John Whitten how he wanted, he was asked, essentially asked by Bobby Kennedy by one of his people, because he was responsible not only for Mexico but also Panama to give information from the CIA on the banks which were handling the hot money coming the skim coming out of Las Vegas.

And Whitten was going to do this, and JC King, his boss, head of Western Hemisphere, told him "You can't do that," because that the FBI should do that, and it was Angleton who gave that order, essentially. Angleton was protecting the casinos in Las Vegas because they were his assets. And so Bobby Kennedy one of the theories that really triggered it; looking at Kennedy John Kennedy - and Moscow and peace and so on, but you could also say that Bobby Kennedy, in going after the Mafia, was treading he was messing up with James Angleton's assets, so it may have been as much on that level as on the other level. But for him to have eulogized Howard Hughes for me it's good news, in a way: that I'm not totally mad to think that there's a connection! But for people not aware of the connection it would probably be very unsettling, yes.

ALAN DALE: It's truly astonishing, and it is simply the kind of evidence which is most elusive in this kind of undertaking to come to a deeper, better understanding. It is right there: it is right there, and then it's left for us to interpret as best we can. But the fact that someone such as such a unique, and such a supremely influential figure as James Angleton should have that kind of intimacy with a figure as unique and as I think mysterious and maybe not properly understood, as Howard Hughes, especially in terms of Hughes' role as both a beneficiary and a benefactor to the CIA and as an inevitable source of unlimited $100 bills in the case of how things get done on the street level. I think that this is one of the very real kind of what would you call it? Not a juxtaposition but a nexus point, where elements of the deep political state are unambiguously connected.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: And it just makes us conclude that to solve the case and to change the government of this country are really one and the same, because the make-up of the power structure in the country at this time is too interwoven with what made the Kennedy assassination happen.

ALAN DALE: Thank you, Professor, for allowing us an extraordinary opportunity: sincerely grateful to you.

PROFESSOR SCOTT: You know this was a good interview. I enjoyed it. You asked wonderful lead questions.

ALAN DALE: Thank you. You've been listening to Conversations, a JFK Lancer production. Good evening.

I got an e-mail about this book, apparently from the author (James Kelleher) last week:

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/he-was-e...1483416090

Has anyone read this? Is it any good?

Michele Metta's JFK book was recently published and is available on Amazon now.

https://www.amazon.com/ITALIAN-UNDERCOVE...hele+metta

It runs for 164 pages and includes the (Italian language) CMC documentation in the back of the volume. The Amazon preview arbitrarily doesn't show the contents page, but offers a preview of the opening chapter. The translation looks pretty good and - happily - the book is heavily footnoted, which is a big plus in any volume discussing political events from that region and that era. UK author Richard Cottrell wrote a fat book on Gladio several years back. It was barely footnoted at all and jumbled together lots of undocumented assertions. UK journalist Robin Ramsay was less than impressed.

Metta's book is now on my get list, I'll be curious to see further reviews of it.