John Armstrong blasts the mail order rifle "evidence"

[Albert Doyle]

I agree with Armstrong. There's a clear pattern of bugs in the evidence. Holmes is a ringer.


There's no Oswald prints on the Money Order and the serial number comes from a time period equal to Holmes pulling a Money Order from a Dallas Post Office stack on November 23rd.


If Saturday was a day when the Post Office was closed then maybe the cancellation stamp having a 12 on it had something to do with the stamping machines being turned off. Or maybe the 12 was a screw-up by a rushing FBI that wanted to have a post mark closer to West Neely St and didn't realize Oswald was at work that day.


Armstrong's theory threads through the evidence cleanly.

[Jim Hargrove]

Which then begs the question if the Klein's order was real and was made in March what would they have done with that?

Yeah, but I don't think it was real, and I doubt ANY of the docs supporting C2766 and Oswald/Hidell are real, except maybe this one, that J. Edgar forgot to quash:



Seems to me entirely possible that C2766 was never even sold by Kleins to anyone.

[Albert Doyle]

Jim, I finished reading Armstrong's new article and it makes a good case they forged the whole order history after the shooting.


The losing of the Klein's microfilm and Money Order appears to be motivated by the need to remove evidence of this.


Armstrong makes a good case that the behavior of the main witnesses conforms to going along with this fraud.


I believe I read somewhere that there was paper trail evidence that the C2766 rifle was pulled from the New Jersey warehouse stock.


This greater record makes it much more likely the lack of any bank stamp on the Money Order is a sign it was never cashed.

[Drew Phipps]

I'm curious, has the "Chicago teletype," that the Chapman memo refers to, been declassified?

[David Josephs]

Here you are Drew.... I believe this is the teletype being referred to here as the only key piece of data os C2766.

The real problem is the fact the evidence which would show June's N2766 and March's C2746 shipments are not available.

We SHOULD see the March shipment of these FC rifles as ordered by Kleins on that same invoice where the 100 rifles from Feb were logged assuming they are the same FC rifles.

I truly believe you will find that Kleins did not have a single one of the 100 rifles offered in evidence - and that if Kleins ever did have a C2766 rifle, it was a TS 36" carbine as originally ordered.

I frimly believe that Jan order for TS rifles changed in April to FC is an alteration of an original on which Kleins got a shipment of 100 TS rifles from Feldsott's company.

Does it not bother anyone that not a single one of those other 99 rifles - listed with seriel numbers and everything - has EVER turned up, no record of EVER being sold to anyone between Feb 22 1963 and Nov 22 1963 even though it was advertised every month from April on... as a 40" FC scoped rifle?? Despite the fact that the 40"FC rifle was not a carbine all they did was change the description and started advertising in April

[Jim Hargrove]

Ahh.... thanks for re-posting the teletype, DJ. No doubt I've seen it before, but this stuff takes time to absorb.

Despite the endless bs, I see no evidence whatsoever in publicly verifiable documentation from late November 1963 that Kleins ever possessed C2766. Do you?

[Drew Phipps]

Thank you David. The H.L Green company mentioned in that teletypes has an interesting history. At the time of the assassination, it was owned by Israeli billionaire and corporate raider Meshulam Riklis.

[David Josephs]

Ahh.... thanks for re-posting the teletype, DJ. No doubt I've seen it before, but this stuff takes time to absorb.

Despite the endless bs, I see no evidence whatsoever in publicly verifiable documentation from late November 1963 that Kleins ever possessed C2766. Do you?

The only verifiable evidence of C2766 are the 10 packing slips offered by Feldsott representing a shipment from Italy to Harborside storage and the packing list from the 5200 rifles.

What happens to that C2766 from that point is undocumented. Period.

It is not possible for those 10 slips to also be the packing slips from the fictitious Feb 22 shipment. They could not be offered as evidence from both men, 5 months apart... fopr two completely different things... In my work I discuss how the SOP was for Rupp to mail the packing slips..

Mr. BELIN. I'm going to hand you what has been marked as Waldman
Deposition Exhibit No. 3 and ask you to state if you know what this is.
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes; these are memos prepared by Crescent Firearms
showing serial numbers of rifles that were shipped to us and each one of
these represents those rifles that were contained in a case.
Mr. BELIN. Now, you earlier mentioned that these were packed with the case.
Mr. WALDMAN. Well, I would like to correct that. This particular company
does not include these with the cases, but sends these memos separately with
their invoice.


This could not be farther from the truth. We refer again to Rupp's FBI interview report
where he states that he places the packing slips inside the carton and pastes
one slip on the outside as well.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html...7&tab=page

There is more to it of course, yet this is a great example of the limited evidence and its re-purposing.

[Jim Hargrove]

Isn't it amazing how much of this so-called "evidence" falls apart when you really begin to study it. It was Harrison Livingstone, if memory serves, that wrote something like, "There is all kinds of evidence against Lee Harvey Oswald at the National Archives, and all of if is phony."

The only way to expose the truth of this crime may be to expose the fabricated evidence. Without doing so, WC apologists can always just pull out the relevant FBI bs or altered WC testimony and fool the uninformed. If we could show how much evidence in this case is false, it would be easier to expose other elements of what Don Jeffries calls "Our Hidden History."

Also... I'm not sure where to put this, and so I'm putting it here....

John and I are trying to figure out a way to reorganize the main table of contents on the Harvey and Lee home page. Both of us (especially John) are getting a little too old to completely reorganize and redo the site, but we would like to redo the contents. Here is what we have now....

The left column above is pretty much in chronological order, and the right column is... uh... I dunno.

We'd like to--perhaps--group topics together such as "Early Years," "The Assassination," "The Cover-up" or some such system, and then present it in some way more interesting than just two columns. Anyone have any ideas? DJ, you're good at graphical presentations. Any idea how we could jazz up the contents layout? Anyone?

[Mark Russo]

I think you guys might have missed the joke. Someone DID send this off to Stephen King. It's gonna be a mini-series starring James DeFranco?

I just watched trailer - time travel, torrid love affairs, outlandish inexplicable events - was it written by Stephen King or Judy Baker?