Quote:The Obama administration is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.
I'm agnostic on this, but if Russia doesn't want a Democrat elected, it shows how much the party of the left has been co-opted.
Quote:"It's well known that there's great deal of offshore money moved outside of Russia from oligarchs," he said. "It would be very embarrassing if that was revealed, and that would be a proportional response to what we've seen" in Russia's alleged hacks and leaks targeting U.S. public opinion.
That's a whopper. Putin wouldn't rather have that money back home rather than propping up the western banking systems?
There's more than meets the eye here. Perhaps they've caught Russia doing something more serious than hacking the DNC. Perhaps they're getting ready to stop Russia from pulling money out of western banks or leaking damaging information.
Quote:The Obama administration is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.
It's almost too sad to comment. But. It's a clear and simple case of creating a public myth and then responding to it in a predetermined way. Russia never was responsible for the Wikileaks DNC hack. It's complete bollocks dreamt up by a fearful Clinton machine.
Quote:I'm agnostic on this, but if Russia doesn't want a Democrat elected, it shows how much the party of the left has been co-opted.
Russia would prefer not to have Clinton because she's a ember of the war party. However, Putin how openly stated that Russia hasn't and wouldn't interfere in the US democratic process (not that it's democratic mind you).
Quote:[QUOTE]"It's well known that there's great deal of offshore money moved outside of Russia from oligarchs," he said. "It would be very embarrassing if that was revealed, and that would be a proportional response to what we've seen" in Russia's alleged hacks and leaks targeting U.S. public opinion.
That's a whopper. Putin wouldn't rather have that money back home rather than propping up the western banking systems?
There's more than meets the eye here. Perhaps they've caught Russia doing something more serious than hacking the DNC. Perhaps they're getting ready to stop Russia from pulling money out of western banks or leaking damaging information.
To repeat, Russia didn't hack the DNC. There is zero evidence for it and it's pure nasty propaganda.
NSA whistleblower says DNC hack was not done by Russia, but by U.S. intelligence
ALEX CHRISTOFOROUAugust 1, 2016, 5:23 pm 19 45284
NSA has all of Clinton's "deleted" emails.
On Aaron Klein's Sunday radio program, "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" (broadcast on New York's AM 970 The Answer and Philadelphia's NewsTalk 990 AM), US government whistleblower William Binney threw his hat into the DNC hack ring by stating that the Democratic National Committee's server was not hacked by Russia but by a disgruntled U.S. intelligence worker.
The motivation of the hacker…concern over Hillary Clinton's disregard of national security secrets when she used a personal email and consistently lied about it.
Binney was just getting started with revelations we are sure no main stream media news site will dare to cover. The "Putin did it" fairytale is just to easy for the sheep to follow.
Binney also proclaimed that the NSA has all of Clinton's deleted emails, and the FBI could gain access to them if they so wished. No need for Trump to ask the Russians for those emails, he can just call on the FBI or NSA to hand them over. Breitbart reports further…
Binney referenced testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in March 2011 by then-FBI Director Robert S. Mueller in which Meuller spoke of the FBI's ability to access various secretive databases "to track down known and suspected terrorists."
Stated Binney: "Now what he (Mueller) is talking about is going into the NSA database, which is shown of course in the (Edward) Snowden material released, which shows a direct access into the NSA database by the FBI and the CIA. Which there is no oversight of by the way. So that means that NSA and a number of agencies in the U.S. government also have those emails."
"So if the FBI really wanted them they can go into that database and get them right now," he stated of Clinton's emails as well as DNC emails.
Asked point blank if he believed the NSA has copies of "all" of Clinton's emails, including the deleted correspondence, Binney replied in the affirmative.
"Yes," he responded. "That would be my point. They have them all and the FBI can get them right there."
Binney surmised that the hack of the DNC could have been coordinated by someone inside the U.S. intelligence community angry over Clinton's compromise of national security data with her email use.
And the other point is that Hillary, according to an article published by the Observer in March of this year, has a problem with NSA because she compromised Gamma material. Now that is the most sensitive material at NSA. And so there were a number of NSA officials complaining to the press or to the people who wrote the article that she did that. She lifted the material that was in her emails directly out of Gamma reporting. That is a direct compromise of the most sensitive material at the NSA. So she's got a real problem there. So there are many people who have problems with what she has done in the past. So I don't necessarily look at the Russians as the only one(s) who got into those emails.
The Observer defined the GAMMA classification:
GAMMA compartment, which is an NSA handling caveat that is applied to extraordinarily sensitive information (for instance, decrypted conversations between top foreign leadership, as this was).
Over a year before Edward Snowden shocked the world in the summer of 2013 with revelations that have since changed everything from domestic to foreign US policy but most of all, provided everyone a glimpse into just what the NSA truly does on a daily basis, a former NSA staffer, and now famous whistleblower, William Binney, gave excruciating detail to Wired magazine about all that Snowden would substantiate the following summer.
We covered it in a 2012 post titled "We Are This Far From A Turnkey Totalitarian State" Big Brother Goes Live September 2013." Not surprisingly, Binney received little attention in 2012 his suggestions at the time were seen as preposterous and ridiculously conspiratorial. Only after the fact, did it become obvious that he was right. More importantly, in the aftermath of the Snowden revelations, what Binney has to say has become gospel.
Binney was an architect of the NSA's surveillance program. He became a famed whistleblower when he resigned on October 31, 2001, after spending more than 30 years with the agency. He referenced testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in March 2011 by then-FBI Director Robert S. Mueller in which Meuller spoke of the FBI's ability to access various secretive databases "to track down known and suspected terrorists."
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
15-10-2016, 12:12 PM (This post was last modified: 15-10-2016, 01:54 PM by John Knoble.)
Quote:However, Putin how openly stated that Russia hasn't and wouldn't interfere in the US democratic process (not that it's democratic mind you).
Russia is professionally managed by a former intelligence agent, and we would be at a serious disadvantage if our policies were truly subject to random drift every four years based on who can put on the best show in what amounts to a dressed-up seventh grade student council election. The system has obviously been tweaked to protect our national interests from that. The mythologists are part of it. The latest generation of them has a tendency to be trite, which has exhausted credibility they'll need when the economic issues caused by too much debt become an crisis again. It seems they don't like Trump, but who knows, reverse psychology isn't a very sophisticated tactic.
Putin is well situated to point out flaws in the Western mythology, but that doesn't mean he has our interests at heart, no more than we had the interests of ordinary Russians at heart when Pravda was dissembling to prop up their failing mythology before the Soviet economy collapsed.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Russia has been covertly involved in digging us a deeper hole in the debt crisis, with agents of influence on Wall Street, three letter agencies and Capitol Hill. Maybe even to a greater extent in the UK and continental Europe.
I hope we have our priorities in order to investigate such things. It is troubling to read reports of law enforcement being held back because of clubbiness between politicians or donors who have deep pockets.
Quote:However, Putin how openly stated that Russia hasn't and wouldn't interfere in the US democratic process (not that it's democratic mind you).
Russia is professionally managed by a former intelligence agent, and we would be at a serious disadvantage if our policies were truly subject to random drift every four years based on who can put on the best show in what amounts to a dressed-up seventh grade student council election. The system has obviously been tweaked to protect our national interests from that. The mythologists are part of it. The latest generation of them has a tendency to be trite, which has exhausted credibility they'll need when the economic issues caused by too much debt become an crisis again. It seems they don't like Trump, but who knows, reverse psychology isn't a very sophisticated tactic.
Putin is well situated to point out flaws in the Western mythology, but that doesn't mean he has our interests at heart, no more than we had the interests of ordinary Russians at heart when Pravda was dissembling to prop up their failing mythology before the Soviet economy collapsed.
Countless people are in position to point out the obvious flaws in the corrupt and dishonest Western political and financial system. I (and many others) do it all the time - without the slightest need for any help or guidance from Vlad.
Quote:It wouldn't surprise me at all if Russia has been covertly involved in digging us a deeper hole in the debt crisis, with agents of influence on Wall Street, three letter agencies and Capitol Hill. Maybe even to a greater extent in the UK and continental Europe.
Why would he need or bother to do that? Our western banking elite is so laden with greed and corruption they can - and do - sow disaster all on their own. One only need to search this forum for years past to see overwhelming evidence in support of this.
Quote:I hope we have our priorities in order to investigate such things. It is troubling to read reports of law enforcement being held back because of clubbiness between politicians or donors who have deep pockets.
Investigate such things... Wouldn't that be nice fort a change. ::thumbsup::
The investigation of the DNC hack has recorded zero evidence to support the conspiracy theory that Putin was behind it. I carefully read Clapper's statement on it recently and the best he could come up with was that it (the Russia "done it" propaganda) was consistent with methods used by Russia in the past.
The media has been running story after story stating that it's the Russians, the Russians - and bolstering said reports drawn solely from prior news reports that since the Russian hackers have done naughty things in the past - then they're clearly guilty. That's the extent of US investigative priorities to date.
The reality is that you can't investigate something diligently if you already know who was responsible but can't state your findings publicly, for fear of losing your job when Hilary becomes the White House Dominatrix-in-chief.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Quote:The reality is that you can't investigate something diligently if you already know who was responsible but can't state your findings publicly, for fear of losing your job when Hilary becomes the White House Dominatrix-in-chief.
I don't know, especially with Republican oversight. The 1990s were full of Clinton investigations when they were in office.
Quote:The reality is that you can't investigate something diligently if you already know who was responsible but can't state your findings publicly, for fear of losing your job when Hilary becomes the White House Dominatrix-in-chief.
I don't know, especially with Republican oversight. The 1990s were full of Clinton investigations when they were in office.
I think the elephant in the room in regard to your argument here, John, is that above and beyond all the usual partisan playground knockabout politics, resides the deep state where the real decisions are taken and the real long-term foreign strategy developed and put into effect.
That is why it really doesn't matter what party controls the political machinery during any given administration. Political point scoring is not only permitted but encouraged because it helps to bolster the fairy story that the US is an exceptional democracy.
The truth, however, is quite different - and was glimpsed in last year's Princeton study that concluded the US is, today, an oligarchy.
For example, name me any president who has ever openly and publicly stated the central aims of the so called Wolfowitz Doctrine - which largely remains the guiding foreign policy goal of the US?
And yet everyone who is anyone in the US knows what these aims and goals are. But, the vast number of ordinary Americans have no idea about it at all.
The observable consequence of this is that you have a political shadow play in operation every moment of every day that says one thing but usually does another. The idea is to keep the American public fast asleep.
And sadly, it's very effective.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
19-10-2016, 12:23 AM (This post was last modified: 19-10-2016, 01:32 AM by John Knoble.)
David Guyatt Wrote:Political point scoring is not only permitted but encouraged because it helps to bolster the fairy story that the US is an exceptional democracy.
It's not entirely a fairy story. It must make quite an impression to those living in most of the rest of the world that ordinary citizens can engage in personal attacks on high level politicians without being jailed or dispossessed.
I think you're right about the "deep state," though, and having an election dominated by highly personal allegations involving both sides leaves the deep state unencumbered when it tackles issues like how 20 trillion dollars of debt will get serviced when interest rates rise or how privacy issues are handled in an age where every citizen has a long digital file.
David Guyatt Wrote:The truth, however, is quite different - and was glimpsed in last year's Princeton study that concluded the US is, today, an oligarchy
It always has been, and in many ways it is a fairer oligarchy than it used to be because it is possible for clever people with middle class backgrounds or religious and ethnic minorities to join the elect. There's no uproar, though, about the clever taking advantage of the less clever...maybe that's the next frontier for the civil rights movement. A good example is endless deficit spending, which politicians love because it pleases everyone, but one way or another will disadvantage those with ordinary bank accounts over sophisticated investors who understand macroeconomics and cycles. Complexity in regulation and fine print creates moats of various species that keeps money flowing flowing to the institutions where the MBAs and lawyers from the ranked schools are employed, and there is an unchallenged sense that it is earned and deserved. Paradoxically, the removal of barriers to Jews, Catholics, women (and others with a learned sensitivity to the plight of the marginalized) to play the game at the highest levels has left a shortage of talented people to champion the little guy.
The media never directly questions the entitlement of aptitude, or the excesses of the clever. One reason for that is the editors and writers at the top media outlets self-rationalize their positions as deserved and their opinions more equal than others for the same reasons.
Even "elite," a perfect word to describe the group in question, has been pushed out of the proper lexicon by the opinion makers...............
David Guyatt Wrote:For example, name me any president who has ever openly and publicly stated the central aims of the so called Wolfowitz Doctrine - which largely remains the guiding foreign policy goal of the US?
We're at the tail end of the post World War II growth model, where the United States Dollar is the pillar on which all major currencies rests. It gives us an advantage over many other countries in that we can borrow virtually unlimited amounts in our own currency. U.S. debt (and more recently that of its western allies) has been the major engine of world growth for a long time, and China and Japan have been eager to purchase it to keep their currency devalued and their exports flowing.
We're trapped in this paradigm, and it is going to take a lot of imagination to reverse or segue to a new scheme that keeps us prosperous. The emergence of a major rival, alliance or challenge to the dollar in the meantime will limit our options. Were not that bad as empires go...the benefits to the world from American culture, values, technology that has lapsed into the public domain and a generally fair business climate policed by our military don't show up on the balance sheet.
David Guyatt Wrote:The observable consequence of this is that you have a political shadow play in operation every moment of every day that says one thing but usually does another. The idea is to keep the American public fast asleep.
None of us should have a problem with that on issues where there are legitimate national security purposes. I do think there needs to be scrutiny with teeth to protect the interests of the middle class when it comes to major economic policy decisions given the close relationship between what you term the deep state and Wall Street. I think there is a real risk of the middle class disappearing if the above-described crisis is handled the wrong way, and if that happens the system will morph one way or another into an Argentinian model (albeit it a dressed-up one, sugar coated with deceit) where the wealthy live in gated neighborhoods and the rest struggle to get by. We're halfway there already, but if the dollar loses its reserve status while the paradigm adjusts, the deals at Target and Wal-Mart aren't going to be very good any more, and Marge Simpson isn't going to be able to buy Moroccan clementines at the local grocery in January.
You don't have to be clever to be a member of the elite. In fact, many of them get their by inheritance and are said to be quite stupid.
That's how we all know the elite are actually running the US.
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