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Paul Rigby Wrote:Do liberal and progressive supporters of the Deep State's anti-Trump coup have any idea of the dominance the CIA and the NeoCons will exercise in the event they're successful?
Ponder that for a moment.
Do they really think they'll be rewarded? That life will return to pre-election normal?
This is the real concern. Like you I'm no supporter of Trump and would gladly see him derailed in any other circumstances. But applauding and backing the Deep State's regime change in the US is so dangerous and throws opens the door for a complete loss of even minimal democracy in the future. The though of having Clinton replacing Trump, or anyone of the other neocon candidates who will willingly act out the desired war with Russia will be a living nightmare.
But I rather fear this is what's going to happen now.
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David Guyatt Wrote:Paul Rigby Wrote:Do liberal and progressive supporters of the Deep State's anti-Trump coup have any idea of the dominance the CIA and the NeoCons will exercise in the event they're successful?
Ponder that for a moment.
Do they really think they'll be rewarded? That life will return to pre-election normal?
This is the real concern. Like you I'm no supporter of Trump and would gladly see him derailed in any other circumstances. But applauding and backing the Deep State's regime change in the US is so dangerous and throws opens the door for a complete loss of even minimal democracy in the future. The though of having Clinton replacing Trump, or anyone of the other neocon candidates who will willingly act out the desired war with Russia will be a living nightmare.
But I rather fear this is what's going to happen now.
If "the Deep State" desires war with Russia why did they allow Trump to win in the first place?
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Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Paul Rigby Wrote:Do liberal and progressive supporters of the Deep State's anti-Trump coup have any idea of the dominance the CIA and the NeoCons will exercise in the event they're successful?
Ponder that for a moment.
Do they really think they'll be rewarded? That life will return to pre-election normal?
This is the real concern. Like you I'm no supporter of Trump and would gladly see him derailed in any other circumstances. But applauding and backing the Deep State's regime change in the US is so dangerous and throws opens the door for a complete loss of even minimal democracy in the future. The though of having Clinton replacing Trump, or anyone of the other neocon candidates who will willingly act out the desired war with Russia will be a living nightmare.
But I rather fear this is what's going to happen now.
If "the Deep State" desires war with Russia why did they allow Trump to win in the first place?
I can only refer you to the work of the original Cliff Varnell who sagely insisted that the Deep State is a mansion with many rooms, in which dwell some supporters of the Trumper.
Should we send out a search party for the original; or merely content ourselves with arranging a meeting between you?
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Paul Rigby Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Paul Rigby Wrote:Do liberal and progressive supporters of the Deep State's anti-Trump coup have any idea of the dominance the CIA and the NeoCons will exercise in the event they're successful?
Ponder that for a moment.
Do they really think they'll be rewarded? That life will return to pre-election normal?
This is the real concern. Like you I'm no supporter of Trump and would gladly see him derailed in any other circumstances. But applauding and backing the Deep State's regime change in the US is so dangerous and throws opens the door for a complete loss of even minimal democracy in the future. The though of having Clinton replacing Trump, or anyone of the other neocon candidates who will willingly act out the desired war with Russia will be a living nightmare.
But I rather fear this is what's going to happen now.
If "the Deep State" desires war with Russia why did they allow Trump to win in the first place?
I can only refer you to the work of the original Cliff Varnell who sagely insisted that the Deep State is a mansion with many rooms, in which dwell some supporters of the Trumper.
Should we send out a search party for the original; or merely content ourselves with arranging a meeting between you?
Please note I put the words "the Deep State" in quotation marks.
I was quoting you, among others. If you've ever expressed anything close to my nuanced view, I missed it.
If you started a thread titled -- "The FBI/Trump Coup Against Clinton" -- I'd be happy to post on it.
I'll ask you again -- why did YOUR version of "the Deep State" allow Trump to win in the first place?
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Paul Rigby Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:David Guyatt Wrote:Paul Rigby Wrote:Do liberal and progressive supporters of the Deep State's anti-Trump coup have any idea of the dominance the CIA and the NeoCons will exercise in the event they're successful?
Ponder that for a moment.
Do they really think they'll be rewarded? That life will return to pre-election normal?
This is the real concern. Like you I'm no supporter of Trump and would gladly see him derailed in any other circumstances. But applauding and backing the Deep State's regime change in the US is so dangerous and throws opens the door for a complete loss of even minimal democracy in the future. The though of having Clinton replacing Trump, or anyone of the other neocon candidates who will willingly act out the desired war with Russia will be a living nightmare.
But I rather fear this is what's going to happen now.
If "the Deep State" desires war with Russia why did they allow Trump to win in the first place?
I can only refer you to the work of the original Cliff Varnell who sagely insisted that the Deep State is a mansion with many rooms, in which dwell some supporters of the Trumper.
Should we send out a search party for the original; or merely content ourselves with arranging a meeting between you?
Honestly, Tooth! You beat me to it again. :  :
But apparently you now have been assigned your own "deep state"by his Nibs, and I'm sure I must also have my own "deep state" - and every one of Two Cliff's "deep state's" are now apparently "nuanced" to mean whatever Two Cliff's wants them to mean when asked.
I hate being left out of new exciting trends, so I'm now officially making my "deep state" nuanced too.
In fact, I think it best if I make all my future "statements" nuanced so I can shift, modify or reverse the original emphasis as required.
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Glenn Greenwald again sets into those democrats who will use any means to attack Trump even if it was once their own president's policy. He writes that democrats are now increasingly maniacal war hawks, a perception I heartily agree with.
Quite how this reversal in traditional values (Democrats are double the number of Republicans who see Russia as a "very serious threat") between the two parties came about I can only speculate. But I am inclined towards the old saying "who pays the piper calls the tune" - the Democratic Party has sold itself to the Devil.
The fallout is the regret-able observation that the whole political spectrum in the West has moved quite significantly to the right.
Quote:Democrats Now Demonize the Same Russia Policies that Obama Long Championed
Glenn Greenwald
March 6 2017, 1:37 p.m.
ONE OF THE most bizarre aspects of the all-consuming Russia frenzy is the Democrats' fixation on changes to the RNC platform concerning U.S. arming of Ukraine. The controversy began in July when the Washington Post reported that "the Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won't call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces."
Ever since then, Democrats have used this language change as evidence that Trump and his key advisers have sinister connections to Russians and corruptly do their bidding at the expense of American interests. Democratic Senator Ben Cardin, the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, spoke for many in his party when he lambasted the RNC change in a July letter to the New York Times, castigating it as "dangerous thinking" that shows Trump is controlled, or at least manipulated, by the Kremlin. Democrats resurrected this line of attack this weekend when Trump advisers acknowledged that campaign officials were behind the platform change.
This attempt to equate Trump's opposition to arming Ukraine with some sort of treasonous allegiance to Putin masks a rather critical fact: namely, that the refusal to arm Ukraine with lethal weapons was one of Barack Obama's most steadfastly held policies. The original Post article that reported the RNC platform change noted this explicitly:
Of course, Trump is not the only politician to oppose sending lethal weapons to Ukraine. President Obama decided not to authorize it, despite recommendations to do so from his top Europe officials in the State Department and the military.
Early media reports about this controversy from outlets such as NPR also noted the irony at the heart of this debate: namely, that arming Ukraine was the long-time desire of hawks in the GOP such as John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Marco Rubio, but the Obama White House categorically resisted those pressures:
Republicans in Congress have approved providing arms to the Ukrainian government but the White House has resisted, saying that it would only encourage more bloodshed.
It's a rare Obama administration policy that the Trump campaign seems to agree with.
Indeed, the GOP ultimately joined with the hawkish wing of the Democratic Party to demand that Obama provide Ukraine with lethal weapons to fight Russia, but Obama steadfastly refused. As the New York Times reported in March, 2015, "President Obama is coming under increasing pressure from both parties and more officials inside his own government to send arms to the country. But he remains unconvinced that they would help." When Obama kept refusing, leaders of the two parties threatened to enact legislation forcing Obama to arm Ukraine.
The general Russia approach that Democrats now routinely depict as treasonous avoiding confrontation with and even accommodating Russian interests, not just in Ukraine but also in Syria was one of the defining traits of Obama's foreign policy. This fact shouldn't be overstated: Obama engaged in provocative acts such as moves to further expand NATO, non-lethal aid to Ukraine, and deploying "missile defense" weaponry in Romania. But he rejected most calls to confront Russia. That is one of the primary reasons the "foreign policy elite" which, recall, Obama came into office denouncing and vowing to repudiate was so dissatisfied with his presidency.
A new, long article by Politico foreign affairs correspondent Susan Glasser on the war being waged against Trump by Washington's "foreign policy elite" makes this point very potently. Say what you will about Politico, but one thing they are very adept at doing is giving voice to cowardly Washington insiders by accommodating their cowardice and thus routinely granting them anonymity to express themselves. As journalistically dubious as it is to shield the world's most powerful people with anonymity, this practice sometimes ends up revealing what careerist denizens of Washington power really think but are too scared to say. Glasser's article, which largely consists of conveying the views of anonymous high-level Obama officials, contains this remarkable passage:
In other words, Democrats are now waging war on, and are depicting as treasonous, one of Barack Obama's central and most steadfastly held foreign policy positions, one that he clung to despite attacks from leading members of both parties as well as the DC National Security Community. That's not Noam Chomsky drawing that comparison; it's an Obama appointee.
The destructive bipartisan Foreign Policy Community was furious with Obama for not confronting Russia more, and is now furious with Trump for the same reason (though they certainly loath and fear Trump for other reasons, including the threat they believe he poses to U.S. imperial management through a combination of ineptitude, instability, toxic PR, naked rather than prettified savagery, and ideology; Glasser writes: "Everything I've worked for for two decades is being destroyed,' a senior Republican told me").
ALL OF THIS demonstrates how fundamental a shift has taken place as a result of the Democrats' election-related fixation on The Grave Russian Threat. To see how severe the shift is, just look at this new polling data from CNN this morning that shows Republicans and Democrats doing a complete reversal on Russia in the span of eight months:
The Democrats' obsession with Russia has not just led them to want investigations into allegations of hacking and (thus far evidence-free) suspicions of Trump campaign collusion investigations which everyone should want. It's done far more than that: it's turned them into increasingly maniacal and militaristic hawks dangerous ones when it comes to confronting the only nation with a larger nuclear stockpile than the U.S., an arsenal accompanied by a sense of fear, if not outright encirclement, from NATO expansion.
Put another way, establishment Democrats with a largely political impetus but now as a matter of conviction have completely abandoned Obama's accommodationist approach to Russia and have fully embraced the belligerent, hawkish mentality of John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Bill Kristol, the CIA and Evan McMullin. It should thus come as no surprise that a bill proposed by supreme warmonger Lindsey Graham to bar Trump from removing sanctions against Russia has more Democratic co-sponsors than Republican ones.
This is why it's so notable that Democrats, in the name of "resistance," have aligned with neocons, CIA operatives and former Bush officials: not because coalitions should be avoided with the ideologically impure, but because it reveals much about the political and policy mindset they've adopted in the name of stopping Trump. They're not "resisting" Trump from the left or with populist appeals by, for instance, devoting themselves to protection of Wall Street and environmental regulations under attack, or supporting the revocation of jobs-killing free trade agreements, or demanding that Yemini civilians not be massacred.
Instead, they're attacking him on the grounds of insufficient nationalism, militarism, and aggression: equating a desire to avoid confrontation with Moscow as a form of treason (just like they did when they were the leading Cold Warriors). This is why they're finding such common cause with the nation's most bloodthirsty militarists not because it's an alliance of convenience but rather one of shared convictions (indeed, long before Trump, neocons were planning a re-alignment with Democrats under a Clinton presidency). And the most ironic and over-looked aspect of this whole volatile spectacle is how much Democrats have to repudiate and demonize one of Obama's core foreign policy legacies while pretending that they're not doing that.
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BREAKING F'N NEWS: PROOF HILLARY FRAMED TRUMP FOR FISA WIRE TAP
Published on Mar 6, 2017
BREAKING: A website administrator appearing to be Emily McMullin (sister of Ex CIA #nevertrumper Evan McMullin) set up fake website Trump-email.com under the Trump Organization Brand three days after the FISA court warrant to wiretap Republican nominee Donald Trump was denied.
[video=youtube_share;6ITEP_D3yzM]http://youtu.be/6ITEP_D3yzM[/video]
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Paul Rigby Wrote:BREAKING F'N NEWS: PROOF HILLARY FRAMED TRUMP FOR FISA WIRE TAP
Published on Mar 6, 2017
BREAKING: A website administrator appearing to be Emily McMullin (sister of Ex CIA #nevertrumper Evan McMullin) set up fake website Trump-email.com under the Trump Organization Brand three days after the FISA court warrant to wiretap Republican nominee Donald Trump was denied.
[video=youtube_share;6ITEP_D3yzM]http://youtu.be/6ITEP_D3yzM[/video]
A very interesting companion piece to the above:
http://goldtrench.pcriot.com/2017/03/06/...president/
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As Promised By Our DHS Insider FBI ANON Resurfaces!
Posted on March 5, 2017 by Admininstrator
http://victuruslibertas.com/2017/03/as-p...esurfaces/
As promised by our DHS insider earlier this week, our FBI insider surfaces with information on #ObamaGate and a Spring Purge. If you heard our interview with Robert David Steele, he also spoke of a Spring Purge. This all falls together like pieces of a puzzle. Below is the latest question and answer by FBI Anon:
Quote:Q. Thank you for talking with us. What do you think of Trump's allegations against Obama?
A. In the worlds of the Carpenters, "its only just begun"
Q. So was Trump wiretapped as our DHS insider and Robert Steele suggest
A. Yes.
Q. Why?
A. Wrong question
Q. Ok, by whom?
A. Trump tower was bugged by more than just our IC.
Q. WHAT????? Could you elaborate?
A. Brits, Israeli's. In the fullness of time, much will be revealed
Q. Why the Brits?
A. The same reason as the Israeli's. Trump is a threat to the Deep State. The Deep State is a threat to Trump. Globalists are the populations bee keepers. They harness the energy, they harness the honey. Controlled oppression.
Q. So why do you and other insiders leak to us and others?
A. Because once in a while, a bat needs to be taken to the bee hive.
Q. So you want the bees swarming?
A. In a manner of speaking. We leak, so that the people may have a just outrage and demand a just result. The People outnumber the Government 300 to 1. It's a numbers game. We expected high level arrests to happen weeks ago, but discovered the bee keepers had interfered at the highest levels. There is an internal war within our Government, as many know. The Shadow State is like a vampire facing dawn. They do not go easily into sunlit areas.
Q. So why did the Israeli's bug Trump
A The same reason they keep close tabs on Jared Kushner, who I fully expect will be let go by Trump soon. There is too much liability with Kushner. Kushner has pressure from the Israeli lobby and Trump knows he is a delivery boy for AIPAC. The Israeli's bugged Trump because they were concerned about Bannon, America First, the possibility that with a Trump win, they would see their foreign aid cut, which by the way, is going to happen.
Q. What do you think of David Seaman? Is he a Mossad asset?
A. Never heard of him.
Q. How will this all play out?
A. We are entering a time of political purge the likes of which has not been seen for decades, if not centuries. Trump has the evidence he needs to launch an investigation into a myriad of DC collusions. He must concentrate on the communications between Lynch, Bill Clinton, Obama, and Brennan. He needs to get serious with the pedophilia investigation because he can bring down his enemies in one fell swoop. McCain, Graham, Obama, Bill Clinton, and so on… His greatest tools include the Wiener file titled "Life Insurance". (Names, dates, photo's, videos) and the Epstein videos captured by NSA when they were being delivered to Israeli intel, Wiener and Epstein. But, his greatest tool is the collective rage of the People. Trump must prosecute #PedoGate. The relationship between Schumer and Wiener must be explored. It may lead to some stunning climaxes, if you can excuse the pun.
Q. This is huge!
A. As I said before, there is enough underbelly rot to collapse not only our Government, but collapse the Likud part in Israel and expose a huge political pedophile ring that exists in the US, UK, Asia, etc. All inter-connected. And that's not even venturing into the extortion aspect.
Q. Will it get bloody?
A. Lets just say its flag weather.
Q. Any advice for Trump?
A He who hesitates is lost…..
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Ex-CIA Analyst Trump Wiretap Was Probably Done Via British GCHQ
The Still Report
Published on Mar 6, 2017
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