National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents

[Peter Lemkin]

I love this part:

"There wasn't enough time to go through the hundreds of records the agencies wanted to keep secret, two US officials said."

[No, only 25 years!....] I also just love the part where he says releasing them all will put an end to the 'conspiracy theories'. Ha! I disagree unless one means the Warren Report conspiracy theory that LHO had anything to do with it and did it alone - not to mention was a 'loner'.

I do NOT believe Trump and less so the Intelligence community want to only redact the names and addresses of living persons...and why redact them if they are guilty of crimes [such as conspiracy, assassination, treason, felonies, etc.]?! Very few involved are still alive....G.H.W. Bush is, a few of the Cubans are, a few State officials, a very few CIA officials and agents are.

We are ruled by mental and ethical zeros.

[John Kowalski]

Column Q on the the spreadsheet shows the number of pages released. When I clicked on the file name the number of documents shown did not match the total number of pages indicated on the spreadsheet. Does any one know where the rest would be. Clicked on line 37, Gemberling, did not find 718 plus documents.

[Ken Garretson]

I love this part:

"There wasn't enough time to go through the hundreds of records the agencies wanted to keep secret, two US officials said."

[No, only 25 years!....] I also just love the part where he says releasing them all will put an end to the 'conspiracy theories'. Ha! I disagree unless one means the Warren Report conspiracy theory that LHO had anything to do with it and did it alone - not to mention was a 'loner'.

I do NOT believe Trump and less so the Intelligence community want to only redact the names and addresses of living persons...and why redact them if they are guilty of crimes [such as conspiracy, assassination, treason, felonies, etc.]?! Very few involved are still alive....G.H.W. Bush is, a few of the Cubans are, a few State officials, a very few CIA officials and agents are.

We are ruled by mental and ethical zeros.

Agreed!

[Anthony Thorne]

Here is an interesting take on what happened on Thursday. Not sure if I agree, but it certainly is the way Washington works

That piece suggests that Trump intentionally used the files to horse trade unspecified favours from the agencies. That sort of stuff does happen, but this detailed (and uncredited) AP piece argues the opposite - Trump was annoyed at the redaction attempts and not keen to bury the documents as deep as they wanted. I usually don't like it when articles present info from 'people familiar' with the events, but with the inside negotiations on the final day it's possibly appropriate in this case.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/28/donald-t...files.html

The person, who was not authorized to publicly to discuss the process and spoke only on condition of anonymity, said the goal was to have all the agency's documents ready to be released in full or with national security redactions before the deadline.

Since taking office, Trump has challenged the integrity of intelligence leaders, moved to exert more control over U.S. spying agencies and accused his predecessor of using government spycraft to monitor his campaign. In the JFK files matter, one White House official said, Trump wanted to make clear he wouldn't be bullied by the agencies.

Whatever occurred in the lead-up to deadline day, Trump was irritated Thursday that agencies still were arguing for more redactions. The president earlier in the week had tweeted to tease the release of the documents, heightening the sense of drama on a subject that has sparked the imaginations of conspiracy theorists for decades. Under a 1992 law, all of the records related to the assassination were to be made public unless explicitly withheld by the president.

Just before the release Thursday, Trump wrote in a memorandum that he had "no choice" but to agree to requests from the CIA and FBI to keep thousands of documents secret because of the possibility that releasing the information could still harm national security. Two aides said Trump was upset by what he perceived to be overly broad secrecy requests, adding that the agencies had been explicitly warned about his expectation that redactions be kept to a minimum.

"The president and White House have been very clear with all agencies for weeks: They must be transparent and disclose all information possible," White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah said Friday.

Late last week, Trump received his first official briefing on the release in an Oval Office meeting that included Chief of Staff John Kelly, White House Counsel Don McGahn and National Security Council legal adviser John Eisenberg. Trump made it clear he was unsatisfied with the pace of declassification.

Trump's tweets, an official said, were meant as a signal to the intelligence community to take seriously his threats to release the documents in their entirety.

According to White House officials, Trump accepted that some of the records contained references to sensitive sources and methods used by the intelligence community and law enforcement and that declassification could harm American foreign policy interests. But after having the scope of the redactions presented to him, Trump told aides he did not believe them to be in the spirit of the law.

On Thursday, Trump's top aides presented him with an alternative to simply acquiescing to the agency requests: He could temporarily allow the redactions while ordering the agencies to launch a new comprehensive examination of the records still withheld or redacted in part. Trump accepted the suggestion, ordering that agencies be "extremely circumspect" about keeping the remaining documents secret at the end of the 180-day assessment.

"After strict consultation with General Kelly, the CIA and other agencies, I will be releasing ALL JFK files other than the names and addresses of any mentioned person who is still living," Trump wrote in a Friday tweet. "I am doing this for reasons of full disclosure, transparency and in order to put any and all conspiracy theories to rest."

The caveat that all the documents will be released except for relevant names and addresses of the living should exclude arguments that 30 pages of Angleton testimony, or a career summary of William Harvey's activities can just be blacked out wholesale. I have no idea how NARA negotiates these things and whether they just accept what the CIA tells them uncritically. We have six months to put the word out that (a.) there are something like 30,000 documents withheld and they were meant to be the meat and potatoes of the October 2017 releases, and (b.) the evident agreement covers names and addresses of living personnel, not long dead people who still have a family in Mexico or massive documents that feature some guy's name on page 400. The CIA are liars so I'm not optimistic but it would be nice if the media would wake up and have a clue.

[Ken Garretson]

Here is an interesting take on what happened on Thursday. Not sure if I agree, but it certainly is the way Washington works

That piece suggests that Trump intentionally used the files to horse trade unspecified favours from the agencies. That sort of stuff does happen, but this detailed (and uncredited) AP piece argues the opposite - Trump was annoyed at the redaction attempts and not keen to bury the documents as deep as they wanted. I usually don't like it when articles present info from 'people familiar' with the events, but with the inside negotiations on the final day it's possibly appropriate in this case.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/28/donald-t...files.html

The person, who was not authorized to publicly to discuss the process and spoke only on condition of anonymity, said the goal was to have all the agency's documents ready to be released in full or with national security redactions before the deadline.

Since taking office, Trump has challenged the integrity of intelligence leaders, moved to exert more control over U.S. spying agencies and accused his predecessor of using government spycraft to monitor his campaign. In the JFK files matter, one White House official said, Trump wanted to make clear he wouldn't be bullied by the agencies.

Whatever occurred in the lead-up to deadline day, Trump was irritated Thursday that agencies still were arguing for more redactions. The president earlier in the week had tweeted to tease the release of the documents, heightening the sense of drama on a subject that has sparked the imaginations of conspiracy theorists for decades. Under a 1992 law, all of the records related to the assassination were to be made public unless explicitly withheld by the president.

Just before the release Thursday, Trump wrote in a memorandum that he had "no choice" but to agree to requests from the CIA and FBI to keep thousands of documents secret because of the possibility that releasing the information could still harm national security. Two aides said Trump was upset by what he perceived to be overly broad secrecy requests, adding that the agencies had been explicitly warned about his expectation that redactions be kept to a minimum.

"The president and White House have been very clear with all agencies for weeks: They must be transparent and disclose all information possible," White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah said Friday.

Late last week, Trump received his first official briefing on the release in an Oval Office meeting that included Chief of Staff John Kelly, White House Counsel Don McGahn and National Security Council legal adviser John Eisenberg. Trump made it clear he was unsatisfied with the pace of declassification.

Trump's tweets, an official said, were meant as a signal to the intelligence community to take seriously his threats to release the documents in their entirety.

According to White House officials, Trump accepted that some of the records contained references to sensitive sources and methods used by the intelligence community and law enforcement and that declassification could harm American foreign policy interests. But after having the scope of the redactions presented to him, Trump told aides he did not believe them to be in the spirit of the law.

On Thursday, Trump's top aides presented him with an alternative to simply acquiescing to the agency requests: He could temporarily allow the redactions while ordering the agencies to launch a new comprehensive examination of the records still withheld or redacted in part. Trump accepted the suggestion, ordering that agencies be "extremely circumspect" about keeping the remaining documents secret at the end of the 180-day assessment.

"After strict consultation with General Kelly, the CIA and other agencies, I will be releasing ALL JFK files other than the names and addresses of any mentioned person who is still living," Trump wrote in a Friday tweet. "I am doing this for reasons of full disclosure, transparency and in order to put any and all conspiracy theories to rest."

The caveat that all the documents will be released except for relevant names and addresses of the living should exclude arguments that 30 pages of Angleton testimony, or a career summary of William Harvey's activities can just be blacked out wholesale. I have no idea how NARA negotiates these things and whether they just accept what the CIA tells them uncritically. We have six months to put the word out that (a.) there are something like 30,000 documents withheld and they were meant to be the meat and potatoes of the October 2017 releases, and (b.) the evident agreement covers names and addresses of living personnel, not long dead people who still have a family in Mexico or massive documents that feature some guy's name on page 400. The CIA are liars so I'm not optimistic but it would be nice if the media would wake up and have a clue.

Thanks for this and i agree. much more believable scenario

[Peter Lemkin]

Here is an interesting take on what happened on Thursday. Not sure if I agree, but it certainly is the way Washington works

That piece suggests that Trump intentionally used the files to horse trade unspecified favours from the agencies. That sort of stuff does happen, but this detailed (and uncredited) AP piece argues the opposite - Trump was annoyed at the redaction attempts and not keen to bury the documents as deep as they wanted. I usually don't like it when articles present info from 'people familiar' with the events, but with the inside negotiations on the final day it's possibly appropriate in this case.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/28/donald-t...files.html

The person, who was not authorized to publicly to discuss the process and spoke only on condition of anonymity, said the goal was to have all the agency's documents ready to be released in full or with national security redactions before the deadline.

Since taking office, Trump has challenged the integrity of intelligence leaders, moved to exert more control over U.S. spying agencies and accused his predecessor of using government spycraft to monitor his campaign. In the JFK files matter, one White House official said, Trump wanted to make clear he wouldn't be bullied by the agencies.

Whatever occurred in the lead-up to deadline day, Trump was irritated Thursday that agencies still were arguing for more redactions. The president earlier in the week had tweeted to tease the release of the documents, heightening the sense of drama on a subject that has sparked the imaginations of conspiracy theorists for decades. Under a 1992 law, all of the records related to the assassination were to be made public unless explicitly withheld by the president.

Just before the release Thursday, Trump wrote in a memorandum that he had "no choice" but to agree to requests from the CIA and FBI to keep thousands of documents secret because of the possibility that releasing the information could still harm national security. Two aides said Trump was upset by what he perceived to be overly broad secrecy requests, adding that the agencies had been explicitly warned about his expectation that redactions be kept to a minimum.

"The president and White House have been very clear with all agencies for weeks: They must be transparent and disclose all information possible," White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah said Friday.

Late last week, Trump received his first official briefing on the release in an Oval Office meeting that included Chief of Staff John Kelly, White House Counsel Don McGahn and National Security Council legal adviser John Eisenberg. Trump made it clear he was unsatisfied with the pace of declassification.

Trump's tweets, an official said, were meant as a signal to the intelligence community to take seriously his threats to release the documents in their entirety.

According to White House officials, Trump accepted that some of the records contained references to sensitive sources and methods used by the intelligence community and law enforcement and that declassification could harm American foreign policy interests. But after having the scope of the redactions presented to him, Trump told aides he did not believe them to be in the spirit of the law.

On Thursday, Trump's top aides presented him with an alternative to simply acquiescing to the agency requests: He could temporarily allow the redactions while ordering the agencies to launch a new comprehensive examination of the records still withheld or redacted in part. Trump accepted the suggestion, ordering that agencies be "extremely circumspect" about keeping the remaining documents secret at the end of the 180-day assessment.

"After strict consultation with General Kelly, the CIA and other agencies, I will be releasing ALL JFK files other than the names and addresses of any mentioned person who is still living," Trump wrote in a Friday tweet. "I am doing this for reasons of full disclosure, transparency and in order to put any and all conspiracy theories to rest."

The caveat that all the documents will be released except for relevant names and addresses of the living should exclude arguments that 30 pages of Angleton testimony, or a career summary of William Harvey's activities can just be blacked out wholesale. I have no idea how NARA negotiates these things and whether they just accept what the CIA tells them uncritically. We have six months to put the word out that (a.) there are something like 30,000 documents withheld and they were meant to be the meat and potatoes of the October 2017 releases, and (b.) the evident agreement covers names and addresses of living personnel, not long dead people who still have a family in Mexico or massive documents that feature some guy's name on page 400. The CIA are liars so I'm not optimistic but it would be nice if the media would wake up and have a clue.

Forget about the 'media', they are fools and controlled - both.
I don't buy the scenario above. Trump knows the NSA, CIA, FBI and their buddies could put him on a very fast track to Impeachment or removal via 25th Amendment anytime they choose. They could also do a Dallas on him anytime. His cards are all three of clubs and similar....he has nothing to bargain with other than to try to bribe them with money and power [which they already have]. I do not think we'll see the 30,000 documents [and they are NOT the totality of the documents on the case by ANY means! - see Kelly's list I posted!] unless there is a legal battle for them, sadly. I'm not even sure a legal battle would do it, as by the JFK Act the President has final say and the CIA et al. have him by the you-know-whats for all of his braggadocio rhetoric. Also the Supreme Court has been packed. It is a very sad scenario. Only a new law by Congress could get these out and that would take another sustained period of Public Outrage as happened after the film JFK. The 'media' fluff and 'conspiracy theory' line was to dampen any public outrage and so far it has worked. Only we few who are imbued in this arcane field even care...for everyone else it is now Monday with nothing special missing. It was the third major Halloween Massacre, IMO.

[Peter Lemkin]

OCTOBER 28, 2017 | REX BRADFORD

WHAT HAPPENED THURSDAY TO THE JFK RECORDS?

Photo credit: Adapted by WhoWhatWhy from National Archives (PDF) and FBI / Wikimedia.
What happened on Thursday, Oct. 26, with the JFK records scheduled for release under the JFK Records Act? A travesty. Most news reports correctly noted the release of about 2,800 documents, but added that only a few were held back, in some cases saying "300 documents" remain withheld (see CNN, and Washington Post for example). They are off by a factor of 100. In fact, tens of thousands of documents, possibly as many as 30,000, remain sealed at the National Archives.
If President Donald Trump had gone golfing at Mar-A-Lago and done absolutely nothing on Thursday, the National Archives (NARA) would have released all documents, as it was set to do. See the relevant language in the Assassination Records Review Board's Final Report, quoting from the 1992 JFK Records Act.
This includes 3,147 "withheld in full" records never seen, and an unknown number of redacted documents estimated at about 30,000. Intensely lobbied by federal agencies including the CIA, Trump instead authorized the withholding of well over 90% of these documents. 52 of the 3,147 withheld-in-full records were released and put online by NARA, less than 2%, and 2,839 of the redacted documents were released, which is probably less than 10% of that set.
From the public metadata available for all these records, it's clear that the most-desired records were held back. Still withheld-in-full records among the 98% of those still withheld include, for example:
* Still-withheld Church Committee interview transcripts not included in the 1990s releases, including one with none other than CIA CounterIntelligence chief James Angleton.
* Lengthy CIA files on officers who played a role in Castro assassination plotting and/or the JFK story, including William Harvey, David Phillips, E. Howard Hunt, James O'Connell, Richard Synder, and several others.
* A 167-page CIA document on Valeriy Kostikov, the Soviet agent stationed in Mexico whose name was used as part of the "World War III" scenario that theWarren Commission we now know was created to push back against.
* An interview the House Select Committee on Assassinations conducted with Orest Pena, the New Orleans bar owner who told the Committee that Oswald was an FBI informant and he often saw Oswald in the company of a particular FBI agent.
and many many more.
Additionally, many of the documents released online Thursday featured redactions blacked out areas. In at least one case, the very same document has been available in fully unredacted form at the National Archives for more than 10 years. See the newly released version and compare to the MFF online version. These are two different copies of the same document held by different agencies, so perhaps one being redacted and the other not is just an accident. But why are there any redactions at all in the new copy? It is as yet unclear why so many redactions appear in what are supposed to be fully released records.
In a White House press release, President Trump announced "I am ordering today that the veil be finally lifted." In fact, no such order was given or was necessary. The JFK Records Act mandated full disclosure by Thursday as a matter of law, with the only mechanism for holding anything back being a presidential certification that "continued postponement is made necessary by an identifiable harm to the military defense, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or conduct of foreign relations" AND "the identifiable harm is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest in disclosure." (see ARRB Final Report).
What happens next? According to the White House, there will be a review process over the next six months. By April 26, 2018, a further determination will be made as to whether full disclosure will occur, or more secrecy. Watch this space. Call your congressperson.
For more on these records, how to find online those which have been released, and links to essays discussing them, see the 2017 Document Releases project here at MFF.
Rex Bradford is the President of the Mary Ferrell Foundation, whose website hosts the largest searchable online collection of JFK assassination records.

[Anthony Thorne]

We'll probably have to agree to disagree on much of what you wrote, as I disagree with a lot of it.

Trump knows the NSA, CIA, FBI and their buddies could put him on a very fast track to Impeachment or removal via 25th Amendment anytime they choose.

They never wanted him in there, they've been trying, continually, to get rid of him since November last year, and yet he's still President. If they 'could get rid of him any time they choose', he would not still be in office a year after the election.

he has nothing to bargain with other than to try to bribe them with money and power [which they already have].

Trump's 'bargaining' has occasionally manifested itself in the form of various bombings and military incursions, but (see articles at The Saker for a lot on this) there have been an equal number of incidents where he's applied the brakes to their proposals. Not a perfect record, but in some cases, he's clearly trying. I have no idea why you think he'd contemplate bribing members of the agencies with money and power. I also think it's a dumb idea, and I suspect Trump knows this even more than we do. I don't think that bribery is at the top of his strategies in dealing with the agencies. He's acquiesced to some of their requests, and he's rebuffed others. Thus, there's an ongoing friction - something they're not really used to - which hasn't yet dissipated. Numerous other political candidates on both sides of the aisle would cause the agencies less pain, so again, if they could get rid of Trump as easily as you suggest, he wouldn't be in office at the moment and we wouldn't be talking about him. Obviously, they are still trying to win out over him, but it doesn't seem to have been totally accomplished at the time I type this.

Forget about the 'media', they are fools and controlled - both.

I'm not going to forget about the 'media', as the media includes writers like the guy who wrote a piece on Antonio Veciana for the mainstream UK newspaper THE INDEPENDENT last week, mentioned Talbot's THE DEVIL'S CHESSBOARD, and put together a credible summary that could have appeared over at a research site like JFK Facts or Who What Why. It also includes the various regional US TV outlets that gave sincere ten or fifteen minute interviews with Richard Gage and didn't try to bring in a debunker on the same day to refute video of WTC7 dropping like a sack of rocks. I know that the big networks and top shows are worse than useless, but I'm not referring to them, and by lumping them into the same bucket as the slim number of credible writers you're missing the decent handful that do pay attention and who do try and write good stuff.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_r...57481.html

I do not think we'll see the 30,000 documents unless there is a legal battle for them, sadly.

Join Twitter and start posting constructive, informative comments about what we're fighting for and what is still missing. I posted a dozen tweets in a half hour covering stuff from Morales to Harvey to David Atlee Phillips, with links and pictures and a brief summary, and received several retweets, a bunch of likes and appreciative comments from folks who evidently hadn't seen the information before, all because I added the hashtag #JFKFiles to the end of the post and that phrase was riding high in the search engines on Twitter. Six months of this from a handful of people (including yourself, and you don't have to put your real name on Twitter) would do more good than telling us all here how it's hopeless and the CIA maintains total control and the media doesn't give a shit and the President is powerless. We managed to get an ARRB signed into law before the internet was really around for anyone. Now you and I and other researchers can reach the entire world on our phone and you're basically suggesting 'What's the point?'. There are probably more productive methods of pushing for those documents to come out.

Only we few who are imbued in this arcane field even care

This really annoys me Peter. There are plenty of people online who care strongly about the health of their children, the quality of the environment, about peace movements, about equality, about a dozen other issues that we could name at the drop of a hat. They are just as receptive to hearing about JFK and the events of that day, as we were when we first heard of it. Plenty of them care once they've been informed. More of them will care if you make the effort to tell them rather than sitting around bemoaning how we should all give up. The guy who wrote that Independent article above is a young looking GP working in London. If everyone had taken your attitude above a dozen years ago he probably never would have heard about the case and wouldn't be talking about it now. Stop acting as if things are a lost cause. If they were a lost cause the agencies wouldn't be spending millions of dollars and thousands of hours every year telling the world that up was down and black was white. They have to do this as the truth is easily accessible and staring everyone in the face that bothers to look. If you're feeling disillusioned take a break for a few days and Google some blogs by young writers who are well intentioned and looking for further info. We can probably accomplish a bunch of things in the next six months if we apply ourselves in getting the word out. People are listening for once, so if not now, when?

[Peter Lemkin]

I hardly think 'all is lost' or that we can do nothing. However, we have been fooled again...and I think it was naive of many to think that all the documents [especially the 'best ones'] were going to be delivered just because the law said they should be. The law also didn't allow for the public execution of the President in 11/1963 - especially by elements of the 'government'. Yes, the public uproar after the film JFK came out pressured Congress to do something they didn't want to do and wouldn't have done on their own - the JFK Act. It gave the agencies and government 25 years to declassify ALL relevant documents [the list of documents given + those withheld does NOT equal ALL RELEVANT documents [see Kelly's incomplete but good list I posted elsewhere and can repost here]! They pulled a fast one on the Public with the Warren Commission; they pulled a fast one on the HSCA; even on the ARRB [although a little light and work was done by the later two despite the infiltration by CIA and others]; and of course they infiltrated and destroyed Garrison's case, not to mention all the witnesses they murdered or frightened into silence, the testimonies they changed, the propaganda they spun and spin still, the faux articles/books they authored or paid prostitutes to write - and the MSM outlets that would fire anyone and hasn't promoted those who'd dare to speak the truth [even raise the questions about it] on Dallas, L.A., Memphis, OKC, WTC-1, 911 and so many other strange events.

I hope I'm wrong that there are a lot of people interested in this and upset as you and I are that the documents are still being withheld [and that others we know exist are not even on the list!]. I'm all for getting them to force the hand of government to do what should have been done in 1963/68/01 and many other dates. Maybe I'm isolated where I am and what I listen/watch, but I don't sense outrage generally. Again, I hope I'm wrong.

As for who is behind Trumps staying in the WH so long - that is hard to tell. I think some members of the IC and deep state think they can use him as a useful idiot. Others are clearly trying to get him out ASAP.

Anyway, I'm all for trying to get the Public whipped up to protest, petition, act....but I'm more inclined to direct Citizen Action than I am in sending a note to a representative or senator - as I think unless they see huge protests and massive campaigns at their door, home visit meetings and every phone, fax, email, etc. they 'listen' to the lobbyists paying them and not their constituents. There are a few exceptions.

I just saw a lot of naivete among people I know should know better - who thought the right thing would finally be done....when the coup cabal is still in power???!!!! I don't think it will be easy - because I strongly suspect they not only do NOT WANT to release the documents, they [from their position] CAN NOT - as they would be shown to have long had no clothes on and that the entire Potemkin village called the USA polity has long been only smoke screen a la Wizard of Oz [i.e., all lies and deception/misdirection/propaganda]. No one more than I wants to see an end to all of this - forever! I just think it will take a change of the entire structure. If you believe otherwise, please be my guest and fight whatever way you think best - and I will fight whatever way I think best. I can tell you I don't and have not over the years sat on my hands. I have been arrested, had guns pointed at me by federal agents, had everything I owned and all my money taken away (illegally), been threatened with my life, and more I don't care to mention in detail here. That all happened because I was NOT sitting on my hands. We all have our own ways of fighting the system and I see no good in critiquing how others choose to do so - as long as everyone does something.....not the maximum they can in the way they see best.

[Peter Lemkin]

I hardly think 'all is lost' or that we can do nothing. However, we have been fooled again...and I think it was naive of many to think that all the documents [especially the 'best ones'] were going to be delivered just because the law said they should be. The law also didn't allow for the public execution of the President in 11/1963 - especially by elements of the 'government'. Yes, the public uproar after the film JFK came out pressured Congress to do something they didn't want to do and wouldn't have done on their own - the JFK Act. It gave the agencies and government 25 years to declassify ALL relevant documents [the list of documents given + those withheld does NOT equal ALL RELEVANT documents [see Kelly's incomplete but good list I posted elsewhere and can repost here]! They pulled a fast one on the Public with the Warren Commission; they pulled a fast one on the HSCA; even on the ARRB [although a little light and work was done by the later two despite the infiltration by CIA and others]; and of course they infiltrated and destroyed Garrison's case, not to mention all the witnesses they murdered or frightened into silence, the testimonies they changed, the propaganda they spun and spin still, the faux articles/books they authored or paid prostitutes to write - and the MSM outlets that would fire anyone and hasn't promoted those who'd dare to speak the truth [even raise the questions about it] on Dallas, L.A., Memphis, OKC, WTC-1, 911 and so many other strange events.I hope I'm wrong that there are a lot of people interested in this and upset as you and I are that the documents are still being withheld [and that others we know exist are not even on the list!]. I'm all for getting them to force the hand of government to do what should have been done in 1963/68/01 and many other dates. Maybe I'm isolated where I am and what I listen/watch, but I don't sense outrage generally. Again, I hope I'm wrong.As for who is behind Trumps staying in the WH so long - that is hard to tell. I think some members of the IC and deep state think they can use him as a useful idiot. Others are clearly trying to get him out ASAP.;Anyway, I'm all for trying to get the Public whipped up to protest, petition, act....but I'm more inclined to direct Citizen Action than I am in sending a note to a representative or senator - as I think unless they see huge protests and massive campaigns at their door, home visit meetings and every phone, fax, email, etc. they 'listen' to the lobbyists paying them and not their constituents. There are a few exceptions.;I just saw a lot of naivete among people I know should know better - who thought the right thing would finally be done....when the coup cabal is still in power???!!!! I don't think it will be easy - because I strongly suspect they not only do NOT WANT to release the documents, they [from their position] CAN NOT - as they would be shown to have long had no clothes on and that the entire Potemkin village called the USA polity has long been only smoke screen a la Wizard of Oz [i.e., all lies and deception/misdirection/propaganda]. No one more than I wants to see an end to all of this - forever! I just think it will take a change of the entire structure. If you believe otherwise, please be my guest and fight whatever way you think best - and I will fight whatever way I think best. I can tell you I don't and have not over the years sat on my hands. I have been arrested, had guns pointed at me by federal agents, had everything I owned and all my money taken away (illegally), been threatened with my life, and more I don't care to mention in detail here. That all happened because I was NOT sitting on my hands. We all have our own ways of fighting the system and I see no good in critiquing how others choose to do so - as long as everyone does something.....not the maximum they can in the way they see best.