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Lauren Johnson Wrote:Several thoughts:
1) It is nearly miraculous that he could shoot himself in the neck so that he couldn't talk but was still alive. The neck is a target rich environment for committing suicide. If he dies from his wounds, it means that the allegedly desired information of why he and his brother committed their heinous acts will go with them to their graves.
2) As much as I would hope that this were the act of a couple of disgruntled sociopaths, it strikes me as a made for television training film on how get ready for the next chapter. I am so suspicious that even the boat thing seems contrived -- they put him in the boat and made sure he was "discovered." And then there is the spontaneous celebration that breaks out replete with flags and a well organized photogenic crowd of happy young people ready to party and celebrate their freedom.
3) If this is the staged event it seems to be, it implies something very big coming our way.
4) Autopsy photo URL: http://i.imgur.com/0U0ozqt.jpg
L-o-v-e-l-y autopsy photo! What the hell caused the slice in his left upper torso? That would have to be a shell of enormous size - like a bazooka. What were the police armed with and using? Standard training is to use the minimum of force needed. He seems riddled with bullets.
The 'spontaneous' celebration reminds me of the staged pulling down of the statue of Hussein in Bagdad and putting the American flag on it. We now know that was pre-planned and staged and the spontaneous crowd shipped in and told what to do - exactly.
I wonder how many gun enthusiasts and progressives, let alone radicals have thought over the house to house search of an entire part of a city....coming to a city near you soon!?......
If that is their apartment, it looks like the typical messy one of many young single men. The basketball, skies and other sports gear and clothes look very ominous!.....
I've never heard of anyone shooting themselves in the neck - let alone twice - to try to commit suicide. I guess the whole event was a 'one off'.....:gossip:
I share Dawn's worry about the 19 year old ever getting to 20. This would likely NOT be so, if he'd be allowed a lawyer to see if they are healing him or killing him...but no, this is America at war with dark forces. Question is are these dark forces internal or external. I say 95+% are internal, and by people entrusted to uphold the law and Constitution, but who are NOT....quite the opposite, far too much of the time.  Of course, the 'laws' now are so skewed away from any semblance of Justice; and the Public is not cleared to know if the Constitution is still in force post 9-11, or not.
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Lauren Johnson Wrote:Several thoughts:
1) It is nearly miraculous that he could shoot himself in the neck so that he couldn't talk but was still alive. The neck is a target rich environment for committing suicide. If he dies from his wounds, it means that the allegedly desired information of why he and his brother committed their heinous acts will go with them to their graves.
2) As much as I would hope that this were the act of a couple of disgruntled sociopaths, it strikes me as a made for television training film on how get ready for the next chapter. I am so suspicious that even the boat thing seems contrived -- they put him in the boat and made sure he was "discovered." And then there is the spontaneous celebration that breaks out replete with flags and a well organized photogenic crowd of happy young people ready to party and celebrate their freedom.
3) If this is the staged event it seems to be, it implies something very big coming our way.
4) Autopsy photo URL: http://i.imgur.com/0U0ozqt.jpg
L-o-v-e-l-y autopsy photo! What the hell caused the slice in his left upper torso? That would have to be a shell of enormous size - like a bazooka. What were the police armed with an using? Standard training is to use the minimum of force needed. He seems riddled with bullets.
The 'spontaneous' celebration reminds me of the stages pulling down of the statue of Hussein in Bagdad and putting the American flag on it. We now know that was pre-planned and staged and the spontaneous crowd shipped in and told what to do - exactly.
I wonder how many gun enthusiasts and progressives, let alone radicals have thought over the house to house search of an entire part of a city....coming to a city near you soon!?......
It looks like a cut rather than an entry wound doesn't it?
Meanwhile at the Boston Globe:
Quote:Boston Mayor Thomas Menino said information he has indicates that the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing acted alone.
Lone gunmen. Where have I heard that one before?
Move along folks, nothing to see here...
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But no, Boston's Mayor is off script:
Quote: FBI hunting 12-strong terrorist 'sleeper cell' linked to Boston bombers.
Get the story straight guys, it's getting embarrassing.
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One more thought: if these guys had to hijack a car to get away, how were they able to lug all their guns and bombs with them?
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Question: does anyone know a medical person person, e.g. pathologist, thoracic surgeon, ER doc, who can comment on the photo with regards to the USG story?
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From David's link above:
Quote:FBI hunting for 12-strong terrorist 'sleeper cell' linked to Boston bombing suspects
Sunday, Apr 21, 2013, 12:30 IST | Agency: ANI
The FBI is hunting for a 12-strong terrorist sleeper cell' linked to the Boston marathon bomb brothers.
Police believe Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were specially trained to carry out the devastating attack.
According to the Mirror, more than 1,000 FBI agents are working to track down the cell and arrested a man and two women 60 miles from Boston.
A source close to the investigation said that they have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.
The source said that they were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now their job to find out just who they were.
It added that the agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.
According to the report, a specialist team of CIA and FBI interrogators has also flown to a Boston hospital to grill wounded Dzhokhar, 19, about the secret group, the report added.
The article deserves a derisory guffaw.
If the brothers were "specially trained" to carry out a terrorist atrocity, their behaviour after the event betrays no sign of their having been taught any tradecraft.
As for a "sleeper cell of 12", that sounds like the neocon Anna Chapman nonsense.
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21-04-2013, 05:10 PM
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Lauren Johnson Wrote:Question: does anyone know a medical person person, e.g. pathologist, thoracic surgeon, ER doc, who can comment on the photo with regards to the USG story?
It is NOT a surgical procedure done before or after death! Perhaps Dr. Wecht will comment at some time on this. But any local forensic pathologist will tell you what I just said. It could be from a weapon, if it just grazed the chest - but again one monstrously large caliber! Or a machete or axe - or other large sharp piece of metal. Who knows what kind of weapons they have and use! Even the part of the 'story' where #2 son drives over #1 son would not explain that huge slice so neatly cut in a straight line.
Also, Lauren, I don't think it is clear what the USG 'story' actually is...yes, they have put out a very general 'story', but the details keep changing.....held up a 7-11 - even telling Mr. 7-11 they were the bombers; then did not....etc. There have been MANY [and rising] discrepancies/changes. These are MAJOR discrepancies/changes that can't be explained away innocently, IMHO.
A 12-person 'cell'....hot damn!!...now they can prolong the lockdowns, house-to-house searches, and fear until they are found or invented...and they could be found [or NOT found!] or invented in any city, or many cities. How much fun is that!? Terror now; terror everywhere; terror forever! Hooray! Let's celebrate! I think I'll iinvest in terror stocks and other financial instruments!
By the way, we saw photos of the cover of the 'pressure-cooker' bomb, but no photos of weapons they had or the bomb they supposedly had when confronted by the police. If they try to claim it is because of an 'ongoing investigation' kindly explain the autopsy photo, the very strange IR man in boat photos and the photos of their flat...etc. Nothing is making sense!
I agree, Dave, no car makes it hard to get things and to escape....the official version has them not even trying to escape...instead they go on with their lives, as normal and stay at home...despite knowing that the hunt for the bombers is on and there were cameras everywhere. I think they didn't flee until they saw their faces on TV, because they were innocent OR had assurances from the FBI and/or Police and others that they'd done whatever they were asked to do, just fine...no problems. Bye guys!
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:From David's link above:
Quote:FBI hunting for 12-strong terrorist 'sleeper cell' linked to Boston bombing suspects
Sunday, Apr 21, 2013, 12:30 IST | Agency: ANI
The FBI is hunting for a 12-strong terrorist sleeper cell' linked to the Boston marathon bomb brothers.
Police believe Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were specially trained to carry out the devastating attack.
According to the Mirror, more than 1,000 FBI agents are working to track down the cell and arrested a man and two women 60 miles from Boston.
A source close to the investigation said that they have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.
The source said that they were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now their job to find out just who they were.
It added that the agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come.
According to the report, a specialist team of CIA and FBI interrogators has also flown to a Boston hospital to grill wounded Dzhokhar, 19, about the secret group, the report added.
The article deserves a derisory guffaw.
If the brothers were "specially trained" to carry out a terrorist atrocity, their behaviour after the event betrays no sign of their having been taught any tradecraft.
As for a "sleeper cell of 12", that sounds like the neocon Anna Chapman nonsense.
Added to which Jan, is the statement a few days ago that the bomb wasn't very sophisticated and the how-to-make-it instructions can be downloaded from the internet.
As police work goes, this is Keystone Cops. As for fitting the facts to the ever changing dictates of a higher authority, it sadly makes sense.
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Boston Marathon Bombings: FBI Hunts Terror 'Sleeper Cell' Linked to Tsarnaev Brothers
By Timur Moon
The FBI is hunting a 12-man terrorist "sleeper cell" linked to the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston bombings.
The Bureau believes that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev received training in bomb-making before they carried out the attack, which killed three people.
Tamerlan, 26, was killed in a shoot-out with police in the early hours of Friday. His brother Dzhokhar is in intensive care at a Boston hospital, and remains unable to speak due to gunshot wounds to the neck.
It emerged that a man and two women were arrested 60 miles from Boston in the port of New Bedford in the hours before Dzhokhar's capture. The three are believed to be of college age.
A source close to the investigation said: "We have no doubt the brothers were not acting alone. The devices used to detonate the two bombs were highly sophisticated and not the kind of thing people learn from Google.
"They were too advanced. Someone gave the brothers the skills and it is now our job to find out just who they were. Agents think the sleeper cell has up to a dozen members and has been waiting several years for their day to come."
More than 1,000 FBI agents have been assigned to track down the cell. A specialist team of CIA and FBI interrogators is on hand at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Centre in Boston, waiting to question Dzhokhar.
The FBI has admitted interviewing Tamerlan two years ago, at the request of the Russian government, but said it wound up its inquiries after interviews with Tamerlan and other family members "did not find any terrorism activity, domestic or foreign".
The FBI now says the pair were part of a terrorist cell, though they were not under surveillance at the time of the bombings, US Government officials said.
The brothers were carrying six bombs, a handgun and a rifle at the time of the shoot-out in which Tamerlan was killed. Three devices - thought to be pipe bombs - were detonated.
Investigators are working to establish whether the brothers had help in making the bombs, which were contained in pressure cookers and packed with nails and ball bearings.
Their mother Zubeidat, speaking from her home in Russia, claimed the boys had been framed by the FBI, saying the bureau had been "controlling" Tamerlan for the past five years. Their father Anzor has also said he believed his sons had been "set up" by the FBI.
Tamerlan, a talented boxer, was said by neighbours to have become increasingly radical in his Islamic beliefs in recent years.
The FBI are retracing his movements during a six-month trip he made to the Russia Caucusus last year, including a visit to Chechnya, during which his extremism is said to have caused arguments with family members.
"It's a key thread for investigators," said Kevin Brock, a senior FBI counter-terrorism official.
Tamerlan's American wife Katherine Russell, 24, with whom he had a three-year-old daughter Zahara, is said to have converted to Islam when she married him, and taken to wearing the veil. She was taken in for questioning by FBI agents on Friday.
Tamerlan's Russian-language YouTube page contains numerous links to extremist Islamic sites, including one that features an hour-long speech by the radical cleric Feiz Mohammed, along with other videos labelled "Terrorists" and "Islam".
Dzhokhar, a scholarship student with ambitions to become a brain surgeon, was described by friends as more "mild-mannered" and "easy going" than his brother. Popular with fellow students, he was said to enjoy smoking marijuana, and was seen by friends "looking relaxed" at a college party two days after the bombings, shortly before police released photographs of the two suspects.
Dzhokhar is said to have run over his brother as he made his getaway in a stolen SUV while Tamerlan lay handcuffed on the ground with fatal gunshot wounds late on Thursday.
Investigators have confirmed they will invoke public safety powers to interrogate him without reading him his "Miranda" rights to remain silent and have a lawyer present.
Authorities hope he will not invoke his right to silence, and will talk to them about any other terrorist threats, and the location of possible further explosives.
Prosecutors are considering appropriate charges, with a federal charge of using a weapon of mass destruction to kill people carrying a possible death sentence, though there is no death penalty in the state of Massachusetts.
Three people died in the attacks on the marathon and another 176 were injured. A policeman at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology was shot dead during the subsequent manhunt.
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Quote:Tamerlan's American wife Katherine Russell, 24, with whom he had a three-year-old daughter Zahara, is said to have converted to Islam when she married him, and taken to wearing the veil. She was taken in for questioning by FBI agents on Friday.
Where did "Katherine Russell" suddenly appear from?
Quote:Dzhokhar is said to have run over his brother as he made his getaway in a stolen SUV while Tamerlan lay handcuffed on the ground with fatal gunshot wounds late on Thursday.
So Tamerlan was handcuffed with fatal gunshot wounds when Dzhokhar ran him over?
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