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Breaking: Explosion Reported at Boston Marathon's Finish Line
Interesting, if true. Above, somewhere are photos of a woman who seems to be pushing a package to the front of the people barrier with her foot. Another woman seems to place her pocketbook on top of the newly moved package. Women are often thought less likely to be involved in foul play than men, so make very good persons to do such. That said, at this point it is hard to believe the 'officials' on this case. I'm sure some of those investigating would like to follow the trail wherever it leads; however, it seems someone [or something] is steering this story. The list of things that have changed, strange coincidences, inconsistencies, impossibilities, or we have simply been lied to about is so long - the thought of making a comprehensive list is exhausting*. :wirlitzer:

It is a sad truism 'these days' that if one wants the truth of most things that happen [or have happened], one can not trust TPTB or the MSM to present it to us - in fact, what they present is usually a LIE to manipulate for their own purposes [which seem to get more sinister by the day].

*One need really go no futher to see the Big Lie than the photos of Suspect #1 handcuffed, under arrest, nude and without any harm to his body v. the autopsy photos of him just a few hours later. Gruesome to imagine what happened to him in custody, before and during his execution. That the media or officials can't/won't discuss this glaring 'inconsistency' of the 'official version' [not to mention its endless changes], is very sad - but to be expected.

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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MSM in Amerika continues to be disgusting. Calling the mother a "Black Widow", debating Miranda use, the uncle is all over the tube, with no regard to his deep connections or possible true role in all of this. I am thinking he was their "mentor"/ "handler". Conclusions without any foundation being sold as evidence.
I watch very little of it because it makes me too angry, but I want to keep up with the lies.
I wish now I had it all on tape and hope someone does so that a comprehensive article can be written, or documentary detailing all the conflicts, lies and
conclusions with no basis. Ya let's examine the brain, that will tell all. Imagine: a confession from a dead brain. What next?

Dawn
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The British CNN Moscow correspondent Nick Walsh said some conspiracy theorists are spreading rumors that the US had a hand in promoting Chechen radicals.


Meanwhile the nutcases saying Jeff Bauman was a government actor with false bomb blast prosthetic injuries may be spooks trying to draw public scorn for conspiracy theorists in order to justify CISPA censorship.
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Dawn Meredith Wrote:MSM in Amerika continues to be disgusting. Calling the mother a "Black Widow", debating Miranda use, the uncle is all over the tube, with no regard to his deep connections or possible true role in all of this. I am thinking he was their "mentor"/ "handler". Conclusions without any foundation being sold as evidence.
I watch very little of it because it makes me too angry, but I want to keep up with the lies.
I wish now I had it all on tape and hope someone does so that a comprehensive article can be written, or documentary detailing all the conflicts, lies and
conclusions with no basis. Ya let's examine the brain, that will tell all. Imagine: a confession from a dead brain. What next?

Dawn



CNN has stepped in as our new government. The idea that Miranda rights would be determined by CNN is something that needs to be Constutionally corrected with vigor. What they are really saying is do we really need democracy or could CNN dispense us of that need?
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The suppression of Operation Tailwind reveals all we need to know about the credibility of CNN.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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Boston Bombing: (video) Man Explains FBI Deleted His Photos of Bombing Scene While They Still "Searched" For Suspects
Posted on April 29, 2013 by willyloman

by Scott Creighton

A commenter left this link yesterday. It shows a teacher of some sort talking to a classroom about his trip to the Boston Marathon. He draws out a little map on the whiteboard explaining where he was when the bombs went off. At around 4:00 mark of the video he mentions the fact that the FBI claims they have some photos "they don't share" when answering a student's question and then adds that he had some photos of the crimes scene on his digital camera and the FBI showed up a day and a half after the bombing at his home and demanded to see his camera. He complied and they erased them.

"A day and a half later an FBI guy comes over and says "Give me your camera". I says I got 2000 family photos on here. "Give me your camera" and I said OK. And he went through it, he went to the pictures I had just took (sic) of the crime scene which was right outside the hotel where the bomb, bomb one and bomb two (refers to the map he drew) went off, and he went and deleted everyone of them. He said "You can have all the rest". I got pictures of 25 ambulances lined up all ready to go. Guardsman, policemen, police cruisers all over the place."

Notice he doesn't say the agent carefully reviewed them for any evidentiary potential they might have possessed in the fledgling investigation not 48 hours old. He says the FBI agent went through and simply deleted them.

That is not an investigation, that's a cover-up.

Now keep in mind, this was a day and a half after the bombing according to this substitute teacher. The FBI had yet to make their big announcement regarding their suspects. Presumably this is Wednesday, the same day they supposedly got the heavily drugged Jeff to tell them what they wanted to hear about the suspect they had known for years. And the FBI was making the rounds deleting photos?

I take every statement like this one with a grain of salt but I have no reason to not believe this man or this video's authenticity as of yet. He doesn't make the statement with malice and he clearly believes the brothers did it but as you can tell from the video he did seem a bit perturbed and frustrated about why the FBI would delete his photos of the scene.

If accurate, this video goes a long way to explaining a couple of things namely why so few photos exist of the scene and the truer nature of the FBI "investigation" into the bombing prior to releasing the images of the two unknown suspects they had known for years.

This man is simply yet another witness to this terrorist act. To me he has more credibility than the "secret" witness/victims "Danny" who's story has changed at least twice thus far. There is no possible justification for the FBI to have been spending time and resources during their initial investigation sending out agents to delete the property of various witnesses on scene rather than collecting those images and studying them for the purpose of catching the perpetrators. It shows that early on, before they made their announcement and possibly even before they supposedly spoke with Jeff in his drugged out stupor, there was no investigation taking place and only an effort to cover tracks.

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UPDATE: I have decided to add a comment I wrote concerning …
The Future of Photography in the Defense of the Homeland

Think about this:

In response to the child porn industry and the problems caused by the internet conspiracy theorists, the government, working in conjunction with industry, has decided to include uplink software and components to everyone's digital cameras (your new Iphones already have them) which, for national security reasons and in the interests of the children, will send live feeds to various public/private monitoring firms (Israeli of course) who will monitor your images as they are taken. Images of crimes or child porn will be reported and the GPS chip in the cameras will alert local authorities. In cases of terrorist acts, in order to preserve the integrity of the crime scene, cameras in the area will be universally shut down except for those belonging to authorized public/private agencies. Once the private citizen leaves the area, the camera will be turned on at a minimal fee automatically deducted from your linked mandatory bank account.

In announcing this national security policy, the government, with due assistance from the digital camera industry leaders, will be offering a buy-back plan, funded by the taxpayers of course, which will take in older digital and film cameras in exchange for new, linked ones, providing the people a substantial discount. This of course in the national security interests and proves the government's commitment to ending child porn once and for all. After a set date, possession of pre-linked cameras will be illegal punishable by hefty fines paid directly to industry leaders and prison sentences to be served in privatized prisons where they make the linked digital cameras paying prisoners 3 pennies an hour.

So if you aren't committing a crime with your camera, what do you have to worry about? Why not give up some of your freedoms for security, right? And after all, it's a computer that will be looking through your personal pictures (or prisoners in New Jersey jacking off to your family pictures and selling them to other prisoners across the country… after all, business is business). What harm is there in that? are you a terrorist? Are you anti-business (which translates to "terrorist" by the way) Do you support the conspiracy theorists like Rachel Maddow says? You had better listen to Rachel Maddow. She's gay you know. Then why not?

Now that's a "conspiracy theory" these guys can get behind,huh?
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Nothing changes eh, Pete.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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Ron Paul slams Boston bombing response

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Ron Paul compared the manhunt for the perpetrators of the Boston Marathon attack to "scenes from a military coup in a far off banana republic". He says the response to the attack was more frightening than the bombing itself.


The deadly blasts killed three people, injured more than 200 and caused 16 victims to undergo limb amputations. Paul says the Boston Marathon bombing was tragic, but that law enforcement's response was even more terrifying and unprecedented.


In an op-ed published on the website of libertarian editor Lew Rockwell, Paul describes the police response as a "military-style takeover of parts of Boston" a procedure that resembled martial law.


"Forced lockdown of a city," he writes. "Militarized police riding tanks in the streets. Door-to-door armed searches without warrant. Families thrown out of their homes at gunpoint to be searched without probable cause. Businesses forced to close. Transport shut down."


The former congressman believes that the Boston bombing should have resulted in a police investigation, not a military-style occupation that infringed upon the civil liberties of those living in or near Boston. Residents in Watertown, Mass. the site where the surviving suspect was found were told to stay indoors for most of April 19 while authorities pursued Dzhokar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev. After the elder brother was killed and Dzhokhar escaped, residents were ordered to remain inside as the manhunt progressed.


While the media hails the capture of the remaining suspect as an American victory, the police tactics have become largely ignored, Paul says. The libertarian believes that because of the media's depiction of surveillance methods as a reason for the capture, Congress will be able to justify installing "more government cameras pointed at the rest of us."


But in the end, the capture was largely due to the help of private citizens who contributed their photographs to the FBI and one man who discovered the injured suspect hiding in a boat. The surveillance videos posted online by the FBI came from private businesses not the government.


By believing the government's job is to keep Americans safe rather than to protect their liberties, US citizens are allowing police investigations to proceed as they did in the aftermath of the Boston Marathon attack. Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick last week defended the response to the bombings, telling reporters that authorities "did what we should have done and were supposed to do with the always-imperfect information that you have at that time."


But by locking down a city, conducting unwarranted searches, forcing Americans to stay in their homes and hailing surveillance as a reason for the capture, the government is overstepping its boundaries, Paul says.


"This is unprecedented and is very dangerous," he writes. "We must educate ourselves and others about our precious civil liberties to ensure that we never accept demands that we give up our Constitution so that the government can pretend to protect us."

(My bolding)

In view of the foregoing story posted by Pete about the deletion of photographic evidence by the FBI, we now have to reconsider the following:

Quote:But in the end, the capture was largely due to the help of private citizens who contributed their photographs to the FBI...

Was it a search for photographic evidence to assist in the investigation, or a search for embarrassing photographic evidence in order to contain and erase it?


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The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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It REALLY is FRIGHTENING where/what America has come to be today. Never the 'shining light on the hill' it portrayed itself to be, it was much less of the horror it is today when I was a child....though at that time those who fought WWII were planning for the US to become an Empire encompassing the World and never to 'stand down' from a war-footing. Since WWII we have had nothing but endless wars. Not a one I can see had a moral, strategic, or necessary rationale - other than greed and power for a very few. Things have steadily moved to a police state; universal surveillance; unified propaganda; undoing of the checks and balances in place - flawed as they were; the 'best' 'government' Big Money could buy; covert ops and assassinations up the jazoo; and the most dread march toward neo-fascism [always nascent in America]. Where is the fight back, the push back? Similar, I know is happening in the UK and other western 'democracies' [sic]. Time is really running out and those who can't see it are as blind IMO as those who thought Hitler could be 'tempered' by something. Things are rapidly spinning out of control politically and the manufactured economic crisis has been set in motion to both rob what remains or anyone's assets AND to make any sustained resistance to what is coming more difficult to nearly impossible. :joystick:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Report: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Repeated Requests for a Lawyer Were Ignored
By Glenn Greenwald

There is zero legal or ethical justification for denying a suspect in custody this
fundamental right.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info...e34778.htm [http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001BX8Ve9ROw...z9yNLq4Jk]

Report: Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Repeated Requests for a Lawyer Were Ignored

There is zero legal or ethical justification for denying a suspect in custody this fundamental right

By Glenn Greenwald

May 01, 2013 "Information Clearing House" -"The Guardian" - The initial debate over the treatment of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev focused on whether he should be advised of his Miranda rights or whether the "public safety exception" justified delaying it. In the wake of news reports that he had been Mirandized and would be charged in a federal court, I credited the Obama DOJ for handling the case reasonably well thus far. As it turns out, though, Tsarnaev wasn't Mirandized because the DOJ decided he should be. Instead, that happened only because a federal magistrate, on her own, scheduled a hospital-room hearing, interrupted the FBI's interrogation which had been proceeding at that point for a full 16 hours, and advised him of his right to remain silent and appointed him a lawyer. Since then, Tsarnaev ceased answering the FBI's questions.

But that controversy was merely about whether he would be advised of his Miranda rights. Now, the Los Angeles Times, almost in passing, reports something which, if true, would be a much more serious violation of core rights than delaying Miranda warnings - namely, that prior to the magistrate's visit to his hospital room, Tsarnaev had repeatedly asked for a lawyer, but the FBI simply ignored those requests, instead allowing the interagency High Value Detainee Interrogation Group to continue to interrogate him alone:


"Tsarnaev has not answered any questions since he was given a lawyer and told he has the right to remain silent by Magistrate Judge Marianne B. Bowler on Monday, officials said.

"Until that point, Tsarnaev had been responding to the interagency High Value Detainee Interrogation Group, including admitting his role in the bombing, authorities said. A senior congressional aide said Tsarnaev had asked several times for a lawyer, but that request was ignored since he was being questioned under the public safety exemption to the Miranda rule."

Delaying Miranda warnings under the "public safety exception" - including under the Obama DOJ's radically expanded version of it - is one thing. But denying him the right to a lawyer after he repeatedly requests one is another thing entirely: as fundamental a violation of crucial guaranteed rights as can be imagined. As the lawyer bmaz comprehensively details in this excellent post, it is virtually unheard of for the "public safety" exception to be used to deny someone their right to a lawyer as opposed to delaying a Miranda warning (the only cases where this has been accepted were when "the intrusion into the constitutional right to counsel ... was so fleeting in both it was no more than a question or two about a weapon on the premises of a search while the search warrant was actively being executed"). To ignore the repeated requests of someone in police custody for a lawyer, for hours and hours, is just inexcusable and legally baseless.

As law school dean Erwin Chemerinsky explained in the Los Angeles Times last week, the Obama DOJ was already abusing the "public safety" exception by using it to delay Miranda warnings for hours, long after virtually every public official expressly said that there were no more threats to the public safety. As he put it: "this exception does not apply here because there was no emergency threat facing law enforcement." Indeed, as I documented when this issue first arose, the Obama DOJ already unilaterally expanded this exception far beyond what the Supreme Court previously recognized by simply decreeing (in secret) that terrorism cases justify much greater delays in Mirandizing a suspect for reasons well beyond asking about public safety.

But that debate was merely about whether Tsarnaev would be advised of his rights. This is much more serious: if the LA Times report is true, then it means that the DOJ did not merely fail to advise him of his right to a lawyer but actively blocked him from exercising that right. This is a US citizen arrested for an alleged crime on US soil: there is no justification whatsoever for denying him his repeatedly exercised right to counsel. And there are ample and obvious dangers in letting the government do this. That's why Marcy Wheeler was arguing from the start that whether Tsarnaev would be promptly presented to a federal court - as both the Constitution and federal law requires - is more important than whether he is quickly Mirandized. Even worse, if the LA Times report is accurate, it means that the Miranda delay as well as the denial of his right to a lawyer would have continued even longer had the federal magistrate not basically barged into the interrogation to advise him of his rights.

I'd like to see more sources for this than a single anonymous Congressional aide, though the LA Times apparently concluded that this source's report was sufficiently reliable. The problem is that we're unlikely to get much transparency on this issue because to the extent that national politicians in Washington are complaining about Tsarnaev's treatment, their concern is that his rights were not abused even further:

"Lawmakers were told Tsarnaev had been questioned for 16 hours over two days. Injured in the throat, he was answering mostly in writing.

"'For those of us who think the public safety exemption properly applies here, there are legitimate questions about why he was [brought before a judge] when he was,' said Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Burbank), a former federal prosecutor who serves on the House Intelligence Committee.

"Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), chairman of the committee, wrote Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. asking for a full investigation of the matter, complaining that the court session 'cut off a lawful, ongoing FBI interview to collect public safety information.'"

So now the Washington "debate" is going to be whether (a) the Obama DOJ should have defied the efforts of the federal court to ensure Tsarnaev's rights were protected and instead just violated his rights for even longer than it did, or (b) the Obama DOJ violated his rights for a sufficient amount of time before "allowing" a judge into his hospital room. That it is wrong to take a severely injured 19-year-old US citizen and aggressively interrogate him in the hospital without Miranda rights, without a lawyer, and (if this report is true) actively denying him his repeatedly requested rights, won't even be part of that debate. As Dean Chemerinsky wrote:

"Throughout American history, whenever there has been a serious threat, people have proposed abridging civil liberties. When that has happened, it has never been shown to have made the country safer. These mistakes should not be repeated. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should be investigated, prosecuted and tried in accord with the US Constitution."

There is no legal or ethical justification for refusing the request for someone in custody to have a lawyer present. If this report is true, what's most amazing is not that his core rights were so brazenly violated, but that so few people in Washington will care. They're too busy demanding that his rights should have been violated even further.

UPDATE

In March of last year, the New York Times' Editorial Page Editor, Andrew Rosenthal - writing under the headline "Liberty and Justice for Non-Muslims" - explained: "it's rarely acknowledged that the [9/11] attacks have also led to what's essentially a separate justice system for Muslims." Even if you're someone who has decided that you don't really care about (or will actively support) rights abridgments as long as they are applied to groups or individuals who you think deserve it, these violations always expand beyond their original application. If you cheer when Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's right to counsel is denied, then you're enabling the institutionalization of that violation, and thus ensuring that you have no basis or ability to object when that right is denied to others whom you find more sympathetic (including yourself).

UPDATE II [Tues.]

For those who are still having trouble comprehending the point that objections to rights violations are not grounded in "concern over a murderer" but rather concern over what powers the government can exercise - just as objections to the US torture regime were not grounded in concern for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - perhaps the great American revolutionary Thomas Paine can explain the point, from his 1795 A Dissertation on the First Principles of Government:

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

That's the same principle that led then-lawyer-and-revolutionary John Adams to vigorously defend five British soldiers (of the hated occupying army) accused of one of the most notorious crimes of the revolutionary period: the 1770 murder of five colonists in Boston as part of the so-called Boston Massacre. As the ACLU explained, no lawyers were willing to represent the soldiers because "of the virulent anti-British sentiment in Boston" and "Adams later wrote that he risked infamy and even death, and incurred much popular suspicion and prejudice."

Ultimately, Adams called his defense of these soldiers "one of the most gallant, generous, manly and disinterested actions of my whole life, and one of the best pieces of service I ever rendered my country." That's because Adams understood what Paine understood: if you permit the government to trample upon the basic rights of those whom you hate, then you're permitting the government to trample upon those rights in general, for everyone.

This is not a platitude they were invoking but an undeniable historical truth. Governments know that their best opportunity to institutionalize rights violations is when they can most easily manipulate the public into acquiescing to them by stoking public emotions of contempt against the individual target. For the reasons Paine and Adams explained, it is exactly in such cases - when public rage finds its most intense expression - when it is necessary to be most vigilant in defense of those rights.

Glenn Greenwald is a columnist on civil liberties and US national security issues for the Guardian. A former constitutional lawyer, he was until 2012 a contributing writer at Salon. He is the author of How Would a Patriot Act? (May 2006), a critique of the Bush administration's use of executive power; A
Tragic Legacy (June, 2007), which examines the Bush legacy; and With Liberty and Justice For Some: How the Law Is Used to Destroy Equality and Protect the Powerful.

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