"Justice Scalia spent his last hours with members of this secretive society of elite hunters"

[Peter Lemkin]

A quick bit of research dug up this:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yAij...ta&f=false


I was looking to see if they were/are tied to SMOM in any way.

So, Nazis were in this 'club' too....I'm sure a simple search would turn up all kinds of creatures that creep and crawl in the darkest places who were members of that 'Order' ::
....The Maltese Cross on their robes gave away that they were connected in some way to the Knights of Malta.

[R.K. Locke]

King Juan Carlos is the Lord Protector of the International Order of St Hubertus:



(Go to YouTube and click on "show more" for further details)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Farnese


No big surprises here really.

[Drew Phipps]

Tracy: Hilarious, in a sick way, to dress up in costume to shoot captive animals.

Perhaps they should change the motto of IOSH to "Deum Diligite Animalia Trucidare."

[Drew Phipps]

The official history of the IOSH states that the Nazi Reichminister Goering attempted to gain admittance to the IOSH, which was denied, so the Nazis outlawed IOSH (and shot the head guy), and it wasn't until the American military governor decided that all these hunters could help feed starving Austrians that the IOSH got started again.

So you could say that the Nazis were "IOSH wannabe's."

[Drew Phipps]

So take this with a grain of salt. Here is the source:

http://www.teaparty.org/infowars-why-sca...up-146045/

"Poindexter comped Scalia for the vacation as a "gift" for Scalia's favorable ruling on an age discrimination case brought against Poindexter's company last year."

You gotta wonder why on earth the Tea Party would slander their favorite Supreme Court Justice.

[Ralf Anders]

Thank you. I have now seen that this topic is discussed elsewhere on this site. Sorry about this.

Only a few remarks:

The Safari Club is not de Marenches' but the hunting group, of course. Judging from its coat of arms, if that is the right word, which contains a Maltese Cross, the Hubertus Order seems to be linked to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta -- as is the Order of Saint John of which Poindexter also is a member.

Which reminds me of something Seymour Hersh once said in a speech and also of William Casey, i. e. the deep political significance of the SMOM.

If I have further comments, I will post them on the other thread.

[Drew Phipps]

So here's a brief timeline of the events surrounding Scalia's death:

2/12/16 Scalia arrives at ranch with attorney C. Allen Foster. Two jets land at ranch, and remain there until 2/14/16. (There is a report of a third jet at the ranch, and there are either 35 or 36 guests at the ranch. The US Marshalls, that normally provide security for the Justice, have been called off for this event.)

2/12/16 Scalia eats dinner and is entertaining. He retires to the "El Presidente" suite about 9:00 PM.

2/13/16 (8:30 AM) Poindexter knocks on Scalia's door and gets no answer. Then Poindexter goes off to shoot some quail with C. Allen Foster and other buddies from the International Order of St. Huburtus.

2/13/16 (11:30) AM Poindexter and Foster try the door again and discover Scalia, in his pajamas, lying on an "unwrinkled" bed with a pillow "over his head" (not "over his face"). Poindexter starts making phone calls.

2/13/16 (unk) Deputies from the Presidio County Sherriff's office arrive at the ranch.

2/13/16 (unk) A helicopter containing US Marshalls arrives at the ranch.

2/13/16 (1:52 PM) Since a Justice of the Peace cannot be found to drive out to the ranch and declare Scalia dead, Judge Cinderella Guevara declares him dead over the phone.

2/13/16 (unk) A hearse from Alpine Texas departs for the ranch. (It's about 1.5 hour drive, and not the closes funeral home.)

Chris Luhan of the Sunset Funeral Home in El Paso says that the funeral home was chosen by family of the justice, at the advice of a family friend.

2/13/16 (unk) The hearse departs from the ranch and drives to El Paso. (220 miles)

2/14/16 (2:30 AM) The hearse arrives in El Paso at the Sunset Funeral Home.

2/14/16 (4:00 AM) Scalia's body is embalmed. (It is claimed that Scalia's bodily fluids are not retained but drained into the El Paso wastewater system.)

2/14/16 (9:30 AM) The Sunset Funeral Home (and the El Paso County Medical Examiner's Office) awaits further instructions from the family.

2/14/16 (unk) The helicopter from the Marshall's Office eventually leaves the ranch. The two or three jets parked there eventually leave the ranch.

2/14/16 (unk) Poindexter, the multi-millionaire owner of the ranch, and a high ranking member of the International Order of St. Huburtus, makes statements to reporters.

2/14/16 (approx. 2:30 PM) Scalia's body is flown by private plane to Virginia, without autopsy.

(sometime before 2/24/16) Attorney C. Allen Foster leaves the United States to vacation in Argentina.

It is astounding to me the remarkably leisurely and casual way in which this affair was handled, despite the obvious easy access to much more rapid forms of transport.

[David Guyatt]

Thank you. I have now seen that this topic is discussed elsewhere on this site. Sorry about this.

Only a few remarks:

The Safari Club is not de Marenches' but the hunting group, of course. Judging from its coat of arms, if that is the right word, which contains a Maltese Cross, the Hubertus Order seems to be linked to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta -- as is the Order of Saint John of which Poindexter also is a member.

Which reminds me of something Seymour Hersh once said in a speech and also of William Casey, i. e. the deep political significance of the SMOM.

If I have further comments, I will post them on the other thread.

The Now defunct Covert Action Bulletin (Later Quarterly) has some interesting articles on the Nazi connections of SMOM in [URL="http://www.scribd.com/doc/209440738/Covert-Action-Information-Bulletin-n-25-Winter-1986-Special-Nazis-the-Vatican-and-CIA"]Bulletin No. 25.
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[David Guyatt]

The International Order of St. Hubertus. A brief bit of digging into one of the founders of the new international order taken from their website.

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Mr. Ekern was one of the first to be invited to be a member of the restituted Order along with Llewellyn E. Thompson, the American Ambassador, General Mark W. Clark, Commanding General of the Allied Forces in Austria, George Wood, British Ambassador Baron Harold Craccia and others.















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I have focused on Baron Harold Craccia. My sense id that what is so far available is the authorized biography and that there are deeper aspects.

This from Wiki:

Harold Caccia, Baron Caccia

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Caccia in 1962

Harold Anthony Caccia, Baron Caccia GCMG GCVO GCStJ (21 December 1905 Pachmarhi, India - 31 October 1990 Builth Wells, Wales) was a British diplomat.
He was educated at Eton College and Trinity College, Oxford and won a Blue at rugby union, playing at centre for Oxford in The Varsity Match in 1926.[SUP][1][/SUP] He played cricket for Oxfordshire in the Minor Counties Championship between 1928 and 1938.[SUP][2][/SUP] In 1932 he married Anne Catherine Barstow, daughter of George Lewis Barstow and Enid Lillian Lawrence.
Caccia entered the diplomatic service in 1929 and was posted to Peking (Beijing) and then to Athens and London where, in 1936, he became assistant private secretary to Anthony Eden. He was back in Athens early in World War II, but was then attached to the staff of Harold Macmillan, Britain's representative at Allied headquarters in North Africa. The Greek civil war once again saw him in that country, and by 1945 his services earned him recognition on the Birthday Honours List.
Caccia was Ambassador to Austria from 1951 to 1954, and from 1956 to 1961 Ambassador to the USA. He was sent to Washington to repair relations badly damaged by the Suez crisis of 1956. The breakdown in mutual confidence arose when Britain and France joined an Israeli invasion of Egypt and sent military forces to capture the Suez Canal, which had been nationalized by President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. In the years that followed, he was instrumental in restoring and nurturing the "special relationship" between London and Washington.[SUP][3][/SUP]
In 1961, he became Permanent Under-Secretary of State, an office he held until 1965. He was Provost of Eton 1965-78 and President of MCC in 1973-74.
He was knighted in 1950, and was created a life peer with the title Baron Caccia, of Abernant in the County of Breconshire, on 11 May 1965. Caccia was appointed a Bailiff Grand Cross of the Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem, a Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order and a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of St Michael and St George.

That bio suggested to me that there were spook connections that did not form part of his authorized bio.

After some sniffing around I found this Telegraph review of a book on the history of the SIS and the following extract:

Nor is the work of Kim Philby, "SIS's worst traitor", in Jeffery's words, in any way glossed over or toned down. We don't have in MI6 SIS's damage assessment of Philby's treachery (which is a pity) because it was compiled after Jeffery's cut-off date. Philby was not interrogated until after the defection of Donald Maclean and Guy Burgess in May 1951. But what Harold Caccia, the chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee, called in 1946 "the difficulty of piercing the iron ring of Russian controlled territory" from the Baltic to the Adriatic, was nearly impossible in terms of successful operations until Philby was removed from SIS, which happened in 1951 (though he was not confirmed as the "third man" until 1963).

Finding about his directorships, which aren't even mentioned in the Wiki bio proved more difficult and I have had the time to go deeply into this area. But the below from the Modern History Project provides a little more insight.

Thomas D. Cabot, honorary chairman of Cabot Corp. was director of Office of Inter-American affairs for the State Dept. 1951, president of United Fruit, and set up Radio Swan on Swan Island for the CIA; he went on a special mission to Egypt in 1953. His brother John was in the foreign service from 1926, served as Consul Gen. Shanghai; ambassador to Pakistan, Finland and Colombia, Brazil and Poland; he was U.S. delegate to Dumbarton Oaks in 1944, and was secretary to the United Nations organization (conference) in San Francisco in 1945 under Alger Hiss.
Paul Cabot is director of J.P. Morgan Co., Ford, Continental Can, Goodrich, and M.A. Hanna Co. Lord Harold Caccia is also a director of Cabot Corp. He served on the Allied Control Commission in Italy 1943-44 as political advisor, Ambassador to Austria 1951-54, Ambassador to U.S.(?) 1956-61; he is also on the board of Orion Bank, National Westminster Bank and Prudential Assurance. He is chmn of Standard Telephone & Cable.

Orion Bank has long since disappeared, but I knew it because I used have dealings with it back in 1970's/80's - and I vaguely remember there were some interrsting connections for those of us interested in deep politics. But sadly my memory can't dredge up what it was now, although the feelings haunts me that it was to do with with the Roberto Calvi, Michel Sindona and Vatican affair?

Anyway, the bottom line is that I think the Order of St. Hubertus and it's founders and leading members deserves much deeper research than I can currently give it.

[Michael Barwell]

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Had all those refs too, & 'stars'.