15-03-2017, 05:52 AM
LR Trotter Wrote:Cliff Varnell Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:Magda Hassan Wrote:But surely you don't want Socialised medicine do you Peter!? People need to be responsible for their own health and not bludge off other hard working people. They shouldn't be forced to have health insurance. Freedom is vital in matter of health choices.
Oh, my, NO!...never S-O-C-I-A-L-I-Z-E-D nothing! One of the big jokes and secrets hidden from the public is that all members of Congress get with their office single-payer complete healthcare from the government [i.e., socialized medical care]. Socialism is only for the rich; zombie capitalism is for the poorer classes - remember that! Remember the banks being bailed out by the poor, as just one of thousands of examples. What a system [for 'them']...what a horrible oppressive system [for most of us] - and getting worse at light speed.
Bernie Sanders 2020.
Only those who live in this country, not wealthy, and tried to purchase suitable health insurance on the open market, prior to the passing of the Patients Protection and Affordable Care Act, can truly understand the problem. But, it needs remembering that someone has to pay for all healthcare, so all goods and services bought and paid for by consumers have to include the cost of healthcare for those same goods and services, when employees receive healthcare benefits. And, healthcare benefits are normally not taxed, so your company's customers pay for your benefits, and all taxpayers subsidize those benefits. All insurance is socialism to a degree, but not everyone can join the "party". HumptyDumpty sits upon it so tall, but he need not fall, for so soon crumble goes the wall.
Not everyone now or ever got their health insurance through their employment; in fact, now many fewer do than before and employers now usually pay only a small part of it when they used to pay all of it. The self-employed, those who work for companies that pay zero or nearly nothing of their health benefits, and those unemployed still need health insurance [we all can get ill, and we all grow old]. You are correct in pointing out that insurance by its very nature is the fortunate paying for the unfortunate, and thus a kind of socialization and sharing of the money/risk. The very word 'socialism' [which most Americans can not distinguish from 'communism'] causes a reflexive negative reaction due to the propaganda since about 1900. That Sanders [who is only in part democratic 'socialist'] did as well as he did shows the growing cracks in the propaganda wall. He had to run as a Democrat to manage - and I'm sure had he run under the Socialist Party he'd have failed miserably for two reasons. That people chose Trump, however, shows me that the phony propaganda lines and false promises still work on a significant segment of the population. The same could also be said of those who thought Clinton could/would deliver a rosy USA for the majority. Most Trump supporters will soon learn he lied to them and cared nothing about them other than their vote and adulation. Sanders is too old to run again, I think, and he has no party at this point - though that could change. The USA is either going to change fast or end quickly.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass

