25-08-2017, 04:42 PM
Richard Gilbride Wrote:Larry is on the same wavelength as me, and my post contains a repetition of some of his information, as I composed it while he was composing his.
On April 17 Jim DiEugenio wrote in post #29 of the Second Floor Lunchroom thread:
"Bart's essay is not about whether or not Oswald is out front in the portal. It is about whether or not he was on the first floor eating his lunch as the motorcade went by the building. I don't know how anyone can misconstrue that point. Bart makes a good case he was."
On p. 29 of Kamp's essay, Bart shows the Wiegman frame and puts a number 1 above PrayerMan. And on the previous page he states:
"In case you were wondering who is below No. 1 that is PrayerMan who is Lee Oswald."
What Jim DiEugenio inexplicably fails to realize is- once Kamp identifies PrayerMan as being Oswald, his Lunchroom essay then becomes a PrayerMan essay. This has already been proven on April 18 by Albert Doyle in post #44 of the Lunchroom thread. And the moderator Lauren Johnson failed in his responsibilities, claiming that Kamp & DiEugenio weren't "arguing that LHO is on the front porch"- but they were doing exactly that.
What DiEugenio & Johnson inexplicably fail to comprehend is a basic fact- once you prove that Kamp is using his essay to claim that Oswald is PrayerMan, then the essay can't be used to impartially study the question of whether Oswald was on the 1st floor, or 2nd floor, during the shooting. Once Kamp places Oswald as PrayerMan he is committing to Oswald's position on the Depository landing. And Doyle tried to explain this to Johnson but got put on unexplained moderation. And the result was that DiEugenio's wrong information was protected, but Doyle's correct information was punished.
Rule #13 of the RULES OF ENGAGEMENT in the Code of Etiquette states that "All members, including DPF moderators and founders, shall receive identical treatment from the DPF moderators, and abide by the agreed rules of engagement."
In the very first paragraph of this thread I asked for specific details and reasons, i.e. the official explanation for Doyle's suspension. No answer has been provided, and it doesn't need to be provided at this point in time. Because DPF members are not accorded identical treatment, and the dice here are weighed in favor of Jim DiEugenio. That behavior must refine itself, if we are to continue the tradition here of vigorous but impartial discussion of the assassination.
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I own copies of the relatively rare Whitewash and Whitewash II. Nowhere in the relevant pp. 36-38 of the former, nor the Baker's Dozen
chapter of the latter, is there even a remote suggestion that a lunchroom hoax occurred. Author Harold Weisberg railed about the traditional problem with Baker- the timing of his movements as compared to that of the alleged sniper, Oswald.
A Groden-Lifton comparison is not appropriate to my complaint with Kamp. Because we are not at loggerheads like them- Kamp did not even address my cogent arguments negating the very idea that a hoax occurred.
Imagine you found new evidence about fairies & elves- ignoring the accounts of witnesses who saw the neighborhood photographer snapping pictures of children in costume, who must have made double-exposures. You don't want to hear about that, because fairies & elves gets more hits at your website.
No one has put more time, energy and effort into the lunchroom evidence than myself. And you could get together with Kamp, Murphy and the whole ROKC team and you will not be able to put together an argument which refutes mine- one that is cogent, rational and honors the evidence. The hoax hypothesis has been eviscerated, and I shall soon be slurping on its entrails.
And the reader should understand that you & the whole ROKC gang & several unnamed JFK heavyweights have lost​ the wider debate going on here- the lunchroom incident happened, and PrayerMan isn't Oswald. There's no shortage of duncecaps to pass out in this caper.
Mr Gilbride has made a strong effort to provide factual evidence based conclusions, obtained by keen observation and due diligence applied research. And, I have to conclude that he has done so. ::thumbsup::
Larry
StudentofAssassinationResearch