22-10-2018, 03:04 AM
The recent murder of Kashoggi prompts the following questions as more information has emerged:
1. It was apparently blatantly obvious that two airplanes flew into Turkey and 15 men went to the Saudi Embassy which could not have gone unnoticed before the fact. There were copies made of the passport photos of 7 of them. This could not have been business as usual.
2. When Mr. Lemkin says that this reminds him of Dallas, I couldn't agree more. The deed was done for at least 90% political provocation and maybe 10% actual concern about the actual deeds of the deceased Kashoggi, whatever they might have been.
3. Since it was political provocation, the potential actors were (a) the CIA. (b) Turkey and their intel people © obviously some people in Saudi Arabia (d) Israel (e) the UK and Canada (f) U S military-industrial complex and oligarchical types like WAPO and Bezos.
4. I mention Canada because they broke diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia about two months ago over a milder case of the same type as the Kashoggi case.
5. The modus operandi smacks most of all as similar to Dallas and/or 9-11. The murder was calculated to be terrible, but the drama-queen treatment by ALL PARTIES CONCERNED INCLUDING TURKEY AND THE US MEDIA put it in the light of being mostly for show.
6. The Skripal Poisoning, the "pretend murder" recently in Ukraine and the Saudi-Canadian flap all seem to center around UK intelligence. Yes I said UK intelligence.
7. The fact that Trump has not appointed any ambassadors to Saudi or to Turkey makes it look like the CIA wants the field clear to themselves. That's why the Mike Pompeo mission welds together the CIA and the State Department with a clear field to do any and all things outrageous and unfettered and uncontrolled.
8. I think there is a 50-50% chance that the Saudi leader MBS really didn't know about this in advance. You could easily see this as a way for people inside Saudi Arabia to get rid of MBS. Who benefits? It seems like the rivals to MBS benefit more than does MBS himself.
9. Another angle is that Kashoggi was bad-mouthing Muslim countries as a group. Thus, ANOTHER STRONG POSSIBILITY is that this was a collusive project between the Turkish dictator and the dictators in Saudi Arabia in attempting to freak out Western Journalists for the interest of both Turkey and Saudi Arabia and their bad press coverage.
10. Aside from world-wide horror and revulsion, this effect of this Kashoggi incident doesn't seem to be driving any particular hostility between any two countries in any particular direction. There is no military confrontation building between Saudi and Turkey. Nobody is involving Russia or Iran in any way. The Israelis have been mum.
11. Probably the most telling fact is that the ex-CIA people like Brennan and Clapper as well as the FBI "bad boys" like Comey, McCabe, Mueller, etc. etc. haven't seized on this to use against Trump. They have been uncharacteristically absent from talk shows on this topic.
12. Most bizarre of all is the statement today by Trump to the effect that MBS and his son-in-law Kushner are "just two fine young men just having their usual good fun".
If this incident is what it is being presented as, then that statement by Trump would not have been made and would be too insane for even the barely sane Trump.
13. Trump is actually viewing this who "Kashoggi incident" as one of those wierd provocations like the Skripal poisoning which are 90% fiction and 10% smoke and which in the end (like the seizure of the USS Pueblo) create a lot of impact, but the impact just dissipates in umpteen irrelevant directions.
James Lateer
1. It was apparently blatantly obvious that two airplanes flew into Turkey and 15 men went to the Saudi Embassy which could not have gone unnoticed before the fact. There were copies made of the passport photos of 7 of them. This could not have been business as usual.
2. When Mr. Lemkin says that this reminds him of Dallas, I couldn't agree more. The deed was done for at least 90% political provocation and maybe 10% actual concern about the actual deeds of the deceased Kashoggi, whatever they might have been.
3. Since it was political provocation, the potential actors were (a) the CIA. (b) Turkey and their intel people © obviously some people in Saudi Arabia (d) Israel (e) the UK and Canada (f) U S military-industrial complex and oligarchical types like WAPO and Bezos.
4. I mention Canada because they broke diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia about two months ago over a milder case of the same type as the Kashoggi case.
5. The modus operandi smacks most of all as similar to Dallas and/or 9-11. The murder was calculated to be terrible, but the drama-queen treatment by ALL PARTIES CONCERNED INCLUDING TURKEY AND THE US MEDIA put it in the light of being mostly for show.
6. The Skripal Poisoning, the "pretend murder" recently in Ukraine and the Saudi-Canadian flap all seem to center around UK intelligence. Yes I said UK intelligence.
7. The fact that Trump has not appointed any ambassadors to Saudi or to Turkey makes it look like the CIA wants the field clear to themselves. That's why the Mike Pompeo mission welds together the CIA and the State Department with a clear field to do any and all things outrageous and unfettered and uncontrolled.
8. I think there is a 50-50% chance that the Saudi leader MBS really didn't know about this in advance. You could easily see this as a way for people inside Saudi Arabia to get rid of MBS. Who benefits? It seems like the rivals to MBS benefit more than does MBS himself.
9. Another angle is that Kashoggi was bad-mouthing Muslim countries as a group. Thus, ANOTHER STRONG POSSIBILITY is that this was a collusive project between the Turkish dictator and the dictators in Saudi Arabia in attempting to freak out Western Journalists for the interest of both Turkey and Saudi Arabia and their bad press coverage.
10. Aside from world-wide horror and revulsion, this effect of this Kashoggi incident doesn't seem to be driving any particular hostility between any two countries in any particular direction. There is no military confrontation building between Saudi and Turkey. Nobody is involving Russia or Iran in any way. The Israelis have been mum.
11. Probably the most telling fact is that the ex-CIA people like Brennan and Clapper as well as the FBI "bad boys" like Comey, McCabe, Mueller, etc. etc. haven't seized on this to use against Trump. They have been uncharacteristically absent from talk shows on this topic.
12. Most bizarre of all is the statement today by Trump to the effect that MBS and his son-in-law Kushner are "just two fine young men just having their usual good fun".
If this incident is what it is being presented as, then that statement by Trump would not have been made and would be too insane for even the barely sane Trump.
13. Trump is actually viewing this who "Kashoggi incident" as one of those wierd provocations like the Skripal poisoning which are 90% fiction and 10% smoke and which in the end (like the seizure of the USS Pueblo) create a lot of impact, but the impact just dissipates in umpteen irrelevant directions.
James Lateer