23-05-2023, 03:00 PM
Stancak replied:
Me: “Your criticism here is erroneous because one of those Wiegman frames, whether it be Z255 or other, does correspond to Altgens 6…”
Stancak: >No, there is no Wiegman frame that would correspond to Altgens6.
Stancak is telling a rather stupid non-truth here that the research community lets him get away with...They know Stancak offers idiotic research like the above but they let him get away with it because it backs Prayer Man...This is how the clique corrupts and destroys good JFK research and enforces its rotten double standard...Wiegman Z256 does correspond to Altgens 6...Stancak is lying here because he knows Wiegman Z256 does not show what he is contending so therefore it proves him wrong...This is what Stancak and the Prayer Man people do...When the evidence works against them they say the evidence is wrong...The way the clique deals with Stancak is they ignore his Prayer Man garbage...However they then give him full welcome on their websites...
Stancak: " >The reason for not seeing the partial face, seen in Altgens6, in Wiegman film is that Wiegman started to film after Altgens6 has been shot. The time that has elapsed between the start of Wiegman film and the instant of Altgens6 amounted to few seconds. During this time period, Carl Jones turned his body 90 degrees and stated to gaze in direction of Triple Underpass. During this time, Sarah Stanton slipped back behind Bill Shelley and this is the reason why the partial face is seen in Altgens6 but not in Wiegman film. "
Stancak is just plain wrong here...Z256 Wiegman does correspond to Altgens 6...Anyone can compare Altgens 6 and Z256 Wiegman and see all the people in Altgens 6 are in the exact same positions in Wiegman Z256...It has been recognized by other researchers that Wiegman Z256 -257 is the same as Altgens 6...Stancak is lying here because Wiegman Z256 proves me correct and shows without a doubt that Stancak's claim that Stanton was in between Lovelady & Shelley is provably wrong...Instead of admitting that the film evidence proves him wrong Stancak claims that the film evidence is wrong...Another case of who are you going to believe? - Stancak or your own lying eyes?...The only reason we are still arguing this is because the research community dealt with this by locking threads and not conducting Peer Review of this material...Whenever I was proven correct the material was shut down and the community ignored the correct evidence...They attack and avoid correct evidence and then blame the person who produced it...This is why any simple Peer Review of what I am typing here on the Education Forum would put an end to the Prayer Man theory...The clique has the mods in their pocket and they are avoiding it by dishonest means...
Me: “This argument still holds true and requires a credible answer…It is clear from your claim that Tiny Face, whom you call Sarah Stanton, had her sunlit face hidden behind Shelley with only her hair rising above…”
Stancak: " >No, the partial face was in front of Bill Shelley’s head, not behind. Please view my video and stop misinterpreting my findings.
Again, Stancak shows bizarre incompetence here...Any simple Peer Review will show that Tiny Face is behind Shelley in Altgens...Stancak is once again confused because he argues that Tiny Face is behind Shelley in his own article...Tiny Face is back behind Molina in Wiegman because of the compression distortion in Altgen's telephoto lens as well as the fact that was where she (Pauline Sanders) was...
Me: “However you have failed to answer how the rest of Shelley’s head, that continues above the shadow line on his face, would block what you are saying is Stanton’s hair…If you properly drew Shelley’s entire head, as it would appear in that shadow, it would eclipse what you are saying is Stanton’s hair because Shelley was 5 foot 8 and Stanton was 5 foot 4…”
Stancak: " >It took me a while back in 2017-18 to grasp the fact that Bill Shelley was shorter than Sarah Stanton. Bill Shelley was 5’6’’, and the evidence of that is quoted in one of the final slides in my video. Briefly, Robert Proudhome contacted a newsman who knew Bill Shelley and Bill Shelley conveyed to that newsman his body height (5’6’’). Sarah Stanton’s body height can be best inferred from the family photograph; this analysis is also presented in my video. Since Sarah Stanton was taller than Shelley, a strip of her light-coloured hair can be seen above Shelley’s head in Darnell film and less clearly in Wiegman film. In Altgens6, Sarah Stanton had to lean forward because that face could not be at the place it is in Altgens6 with her whole huge body in the narrow space below the partial face. That space opened as a triangle to the back, so Sarah’s obese body head enough room behind the figures of Lovelady and Shelley, and her face was located forward due to her leaning forward. These things are difficult to figure out without modelling, however, I have done it and you can check it in my video. "
This is a trick that Stancak uses to avoid answering by means of incoherency...Stancak never answers the point that his claim that Shelley is looking at Houston Street is wrong because, if he were, the back of his head would obscure Tiny Face...Stancak never answers the point that human anatomy would mean the place where Tiny Face is seen would be blocked by the back of Shelley's head if he were looking at Houston St...Shelley is looking at the limousine in Altgens just like Lovelady...This is yet another example of Stancak's gross incompetency...He also fails to realize that even if Shelley were 5 foot 6 that Pauline Sanders is not behind him in Wiegman...She is up behind Molina and Stancak is just plain wrong in his claims...Stancak is just making up Stanton's light hair rising above Shelley's head because he is desperate to put Stanton there...
Me: “You are forgetting that we already know Stanton is 5 foot 4 thanks to Morissette’s discovery of Stanton in the Owens Film…A 5 foot 4 person’s hair cannot rise above a 5 foot 8 person’s head…”
Stancak: " >No, I do not know who is “we”. I do not belong to these people. I have repeatedly argued for higher than 5’4’’ Sarah Stanton’s body height. Please read the transcripts of your own interview with two members of Stanton’s family – they actually provided higher estimates than your 5’4’’.
Stancak is just plain ignoring that Chris Davidson recently determined that Stanton was 5 foot 4 in Morrisette's discovery of Stanton in the Owens Film...He gets away with it because the corrupted JFK research community rigs its websites so the discussion gets derailed before Stancak can be held accountable to Peer Review...Instead, me and my correct evidence gets punished...
Me: “You have also failed to make the basic calculation that Tiny Face’s height can be roughly determined by looking at Altgens 6…Tiny Face is about 4 inches shorter than Shelley who is right in front of her…That would make Tiny Face 5 foot 4…You are saying Pauline Sanders was 5 foot tall however you are forgetting that Kamp/Zambanini found a group photo containing Sanders and she was about as tall as the other women…”
Stancak: " >No, Pauline Sanders was a tiny woman. You can see it by comparing the relations between the top of her head and the height of Bill Shelley’s shoulder in Darnell. The group photograph you mentioned shows a bunch of ladies standing on the same level. I drew a line crossing the mean height of noses of all ladies (a red line in that particular slide in my video), and compared the mean height of all noses with the height of Pauline Sanders’s nose. Her nose was about 2 inches below that average-nose-height line, so she was shorter than an average woman in her age category. The average body height of women in USA in Sanders’s age category in 1963 was 5’2’’ (quoted at end of my video). Therefore, Pauline Sanders was about 2 inches shorter than an average woman, and this would give a value of 5’. Both this group picture and my analysis of Darnell film converge on a body height of 5’ for Pauline Sanders. "
More gobbledigook from Stancak...What he is saying is just dead wrong and if we could review the group photo I referenced it would prove me correct that Pauline Sanders was as tall as the other women in the photo...Stancak is lying once again and spinning evidence...His verbal garbage here has failed to answer the basic point that Tiny Face in Altgens is indeed Pauline Sanders and NOT Sarah Stanton as he falsely claims...The point remains that since we know Tiny Face is Pauline Sanders then her height is what we see in Altgens...Stancak dishonestly gives no answer to the FACT that Tiny Face's hair could not possibly rise above Shelley's head as seen in Altgens...Look at Altgens and you will see that Tiny Face is too low to allow her hair to rise above Shelley...It's right there in the photo but, as usual, Stancak just ignores evidence that disproves him...Therefore this is proof that Stancak is taking light-colored distortions in Wiegman and wishing them in to Sarah Stanton...
Me: “Andrej – there is a basic thing that never gets rightfully expressed concerning the Prayer Man subject…Since we know Tiny Face is Pauline Sanders therefore her height is what we see in Altgens…And since Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton, her height is what we see on Prayer Man…Tiny Face is behind Molina in Wiegman 12 not Shelley…You are misjudging the compression distortion from Altgens’ telephoto lens and Tiny Face is further back than you think…”
Stancak: " >I do not know who is “we”, but I certainly do not condone a view that Pauline Sanders’face would match the partial face in Altgens6. I did this analysis in my video, it is there for all to see. Likewise, I never concur with the view that Sarah Stanton was Prayer Man. And here I can even forget your nonsense height arguments and just point you again to the fact that Sarah Stanton had light-coloured hair, possibly blonde, and quite thick at that, while the man known as Prayer Man had dark hair. This one difference is fatal for any attempt to attribute Prayer Man’s figure to Sarah Stanton. Bits of Sarah Stanton’s hair can be seen in all doorway documents: Altgens6, Darnell, and Wiegman. She stood where Buell Wesley Frazier said she had stood: to the left of him. You do not seem to understand the logical consequences of the mismatch between Sarah Stanton’s and Prayer Man’s hair colour.
Pure incompetence...Stancak says this right in the face of Owens that proves Stanton's white hair was dark in Darnell...This is proven by the fact that we know Stanton was on the top platform according to Murphy's own claim...Stancak is just outright ignoring that Frazier made clear in several interviews and statements that AT THE TIME OF THE PRAYER MAN PHOTOGRAPHY Stanton was standing to his right...Lovelady confirmed that Stanton was "Next to me to the far right of the entranceway when the limousine passed the steps" (Warren Commission)...That was 9 seconds before Wiegman where we can see Prayer Man in that spot...Prayer Man pivots towards Frazier from Wiegman to Darnell exactly how Frazier described Stanton as doing at the time...It is quite clear that the lack of Peer Review on the Kennedy internet, along with a clear bias, has led to Stancak being allowed to deny the evidence via his hair color straw man...After posting his ridiculous foot on the step claim Stancak accuses ME of offering nonsense...And does so while ignoring Davidson's confirmation that Stanton was Prayer Man's exact height in Owens...Stancak never answers the point about Altgens' telephoto lens distortion placing Sanders further back than he thinks...
Me: “You have failed to mention that Wiegman is the same film from which Chris Davidson enhanced Sarah Stanton’s face on Prayer Man…If you look at Morissette’s second screen shot of Owens you can just make out an elbow-length sleeve on Sarah Stanton…If we then go to Prayer Man in Darnell we see that exact same elbow-length sleeve…That’s a dead match and it proves that Prayer Man is Stanton…The reason Tiny Face is Pauline Sanders is because Tiny Face is standing exactly where Sanders told the Commission she was…Sanders retreated back to the glass and shadow in Darnell 40 seconds later…But she was lit by sun in Altgens 6…Both Lovelady and Frazier place Stanton in the Prayer Man spot in their statements…Lovelady did so 9 seconds before Wiegman in Hughes…Frazier, 45 seconds later in Darnell…”
Stanton: ">This is difficult to follow. Can you please write and post your analysis of Prayer Man, for instance on a blog? You can create your own blog for free, and you would have all the space to outlet your ideas and arguments there. Then, other people could read your theory and take you for word and discuss because it would be clear which data you are using to support your arguments."
It is not at all difficult to follow Mr Stancak...That is just your excuse for not recognizing what I have been posting for 10 years because you automatically reject it instead of honestly pursuing it...The failure here is not from my end...The evidence I have been posting for the last 7 years is clear enough...The problem lay with those who react to it with automatic rejection, trolling, false accusations of rules violations, and ultimately banning and censoring of correct evidence...They don't stop there...They then go after that poster and destroy him as a researcher...Why should I have to create a blog when the existing websites were set up exactly for discussion of such subjects?...Could it be that the blame lay with them and not me?...I'm sorry Andrej, but Davidson bringing out Stanton's face on Prayer Man is not difficult to follow...The only reason it was not subjected to Peer Review was because of a criminal moderator named James Gordon...
Andrej...If you were honest you would admit that I have proven my case here and on those websites...For you to say I deserved to be banned on those sites is a low blow and the truth is the clique influenced their favoring moderators and I was banned because the sacred cows were about to have their asses handed to them by someone they held in contempt and ridiculed...It exposed them for what they are and that couldn't be allowed...My evidence speaks for itself as does their desperation to use censorship to keep it from Peer Review...
For those reading this Andrej followed his reply above by removing my comments from his blog and blocking me from his comments section...He's never going to admit that Tiny Face is Pauline Sanders and therefore proves that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...This research community is absolutely shameless...
Me: “Your criticism here is erroneous because one of those Wiegman frames, whether it be Z255 or other, does correspond to Altgens 6…”
Stancak: >No, there is no Wiegman frame that would correspond to Altgens6.
Stancak is telling a rather stupid non-truth here that the research community lets him get away with...They know Stancak offers idiotic research like the above but they let him get away with it because it backs Prayer Man...This is how the clique corrupts and destroys good JFK research and enforces its rotten double standard...Wiegman Z256 does correspond to Altgens 6...Stancak is lying here because he knows Wiegman Z256 does not show what he is contending so therefore it proves him wrong...This is what Stancak and the Prayer Man people do...When the evidence works against them they say the evidence is wrong...The way the clique deals with Stancak is they ignore his Prayer Man garbage...However they then give him full welcome on their websites...
Stancak: " >The reason for not seeing the partial face, seen in Altgens6, in Wiegman film is that Wiegman started to film after Altgens6 has been shot. The time that has elapsed between the start of Wiegman film and the instant of Altgens6 amounted to few seconds. During this time period, Carl Jones turned his body 90 degrees and stated to gaze in direction of Triple Underpass. During this time, Sarah Stanton slipped back behind Bill Shelley and this is the reason why the partial face is seen in Altgens6 but not in Wiegman film. "
Stancak is just plain wrong here...Z256 Wiegman does correspond to Altgens 6...Anyone can compare Altgens 6 and Z256 Wiegman and see all the people in Altgens 6 are in the exact same positions in Wiegman Z256...It has been recognized by other researchers that Wiegman Z256 -257 is the same as Altgens 6...Stancak is lying here because Wiegman Z256 proves me correct and shows without a doubt that Stancak's claim that Stanton was in between Lovelady & Shelley is provably wrong...Instead of admitting that the film evidence proves him wrong Stancak claims that the film evidence is wrong...Another case of who are you going to believe? - Stancak or your own lying eyes?...The only reason we are still arguing this is because the research community dealt with this by locking threads and not conducting Peer Review of this material...Whenever I was proven correct the material was shut down and the community ignored the correct evidence...They attack and avoid correct evidence and then blame the person who produced it...This is why any simple Peer Review of what I am typing here on the Education Forum would put an end to the Prayer Man theory...The clique has the mods in their pocket and they are avoiding it by dishonest means...
Me: “This argument still holds true and requires a credible answer…It is clear from your claim that Tiny Face, whom you call Sarah Stanton, had her sunlit face hidden behind Shelley with only her hair rising above…”
Stancak: " >No, the partial face was in front of Bill Shelley’s head, not behind. Please view my video and stop misinterpreting my findings.
Again, Stancak shows bizarre incompetence here...Any simple Peer Review will show that Tiny Face is behind Shelley in Altgens...Stancak is once again confused because he argues that Tiny Face is behind Shelley in his own article...Tiny Face is back behind Molina in Wiegman because of the compression distortion in Altgen's telephoto lens as well as the fact that was where she (Pauline Sanders) was...
Me: “However you have failed to answer how the rest of Shelley’s head, that continues above the shadow line on his face, would block what you are saying is Stanton’s hair…If you properly drew Shelley’s entire head, as it would appear in that shadow, it would eclipse what you are saying is Stanton’s hair because Shelley was 5 foot 8 and Stanton was 5 foot 4…”
Stancak: " >It took me a while back in 2017-18 to grasp the fact that Bill Shelley was shorter than Sarah Stanton. Bill Shelley was 5’6’’, and the evidence of that is quoted in one of the final slides in my video. Briefly, Robert Proudhome contacted a newsman who knew Bill Shelley and Bill Shelley conveyed to that newsman his body height (5’6’’). Sarah Stanton’s body height can be best inferred from the family photograph; this analysis is also presented in my video. Since Sarah Stanton was taller than Shelley, a strip of her light-coloured hair can be seen above Shelley’s head in Darnell film and less clearly in Wiegman film. In Altgens6, Sarah Stanton had to lean forward because that face could not be at the place it is in Altgens6 with her whole huge body in the narrow space below the partial face. That space opened as a triangle to the back, so Sarah’s obese body head enough room behind the figures of Lovelady and Shelley, and her face was located forward due to her leaning forward. These things are difficult to figure out without modelling, however, I have done it and you can check it in my video. "
This is a trick that Stancak uses to avoid answering by means of incoherency...Stancak never answers the point that his claim that Shelley is looking at Houston Street is wrong because, if he were, the back of his head would obscure Tiny Face...Stancak never answers the point that human anatomy would mean the place where Tiny Face is seen would be blocked by the back of Shelley's head if he were looking at Houston St...Shelley is looking at the limousine in Altgens just like Lovelady...This is yet another example of Stancak's gross incompetency...He also fails to realize that even if Shelley were 5 foot 6 that Pauline Sanders is not behind him in Wiegman...She is up behind Molina and Stancak is just plain wrong in his claims...Stancak is just making up Stanton's light hair rising above Shelley's head because he is desperate to put Stanton there...
Me: “You are forgetting that we already know Stanton is 5 foot 4 thanks to Morissette’s discovery of Stanton in the Owens Film…A 5 foot 4 person’s hair cannot rise above a 5 foot 8 person’s head…”
Stancak: " >No, I do not know who is “we”. I do not belong to these people. I have repeatedly argued for higher than 5’4’’ Sarah Stanton’s body height. Please read the transcripts of your own interview with two members of Stanton’s family – they actually provided higher estimates than your 5’4’’.
Stancak is just plain ignoring that Chris Davidson recently determined that Stanton was 5 foot 4 in Morrisette's discovery of Stanton in the Owens Film...He gets away with it because the corrupted JFK research community rigs its websites so the discussion gets derailed before Stancak can be held accountable to Peer Review...Instead, me and my correct evidence gets punished...
Me: “You have also failed to make the basic calculation that Tiny Face’s height can be roughly determined by looking at Altgens 6…Tiny Face is about 4 inches shorter than Shelley who is right in front of her…That would make Tiny Face 5 foot 4…You are saying Pauline Sanders was 5 foot tall however you are forgetting that Kamp/Zambanini found a group photo containing Sanders and she was about as tall as the other women…”
Stancak: " >No, Pauline Sanders was a tiny woman. You can see it by comparing the relations between the top of her head and the height of Bill Shelley’s shoulder in Darnell. The group photograph you mentioned shows a bunch of ladies standing on the same level. I drew a line crossing the mean height of noses of all ladies (a red line in that particular slide in my video), and compared the mean height of all noses with the height of Pauline Sanders’s nose. Her nose was about 2 inches below that average-nose-height line, so she was shorter than an average woman in her age category. The average body height of women in USA in Sanders’s age category in 1963 was 5’2’’ (quoted at end of my video). Therefore, Pauline Sanders was about 2 inches shorter than an average woman, and this would give a value of 5’. Both this group picture and my analysis of Darnell film converge on a body height of 5’ for Pauline Sanders. "
More gobbledigook from Stancak...What he is saying is just dead wrong and if we could review the group photo I referenced it would prove me correct that Pauline Sanders was as tall as the other women in the photo...Stancak is lying once again and spinning evidence...His verbal garbage here has failed to answer the basic point that Tiny Face in Altgens is indeed Pauline Sanders and NOT Sarah Stanton as he falsely claims...The point remains that since we know Tiny Face is Pauline Sanders then her height is what we see in Altgens...Stancak dishonestly gives no answer to the FACT that Tiny Face's hair could not possibly rise above Shelley's head as seen in Altgens...Look at Altgens and you will see that Tiny Face is too low to allow her hair to rise above Shelley...It's right there in the photo but, as usual, Stancak just ignores evidence that disproves him...Therefore this is proof that Stancak is taking light-colored distortions in Wiegman and wishing them in to Sarah Stanton...
Me: “Andrej – there is a basic thing that never gets rightfully expressed concerning the Prayer Man subject…Since we know Tiny Face is Pauline Sanders therefore her height is what we see in Altgens…And since Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton, her height is what we see on Prayer Man…Tiny Face is behind Molina in Wiegman 12 not Shelley…You are misjudging the compression distortion from Altgens’ telephoto lens and Tiny Face is further back than you think…”
Stancak: " >I do not know who is “we”, but I certainly do not condone a view that Pauline Sanders’face would match the partial face in Altgens6. I did this analysis in my video, it is there for all to see. Likewise, I never concur with the view that Sarah Stanton was Prayer Man. And here I can even forget your nonsense height arguments and just point you again to the fact that Sarah Stanton had light-coloured hair, possibly blonde, and quite thick at that, while the man known as Prayer Man had dark hair. This one difference is fatal for any attempt to attribute Prayer Man’s figure to Sarah Stanton. Bits of Sarah Stanton’s hair can be seen in all doorway documents: Altgens6, Darnell, and Wiegman. She stood where Buell Wesley Frazier said she had stood: to the left of him. You do not seem to understand the logical consequences of the mismatch between Sarah Stanton’s and Prayer Man’s hair colour.
Pure incompetence...Stancak says this right in the face of Owens that proves Stanton's white hair was dark in Darnell...This is proven by the fact that we know Stanton was on the top platform according to Murphy's own claim...Stancak is just outright ignoring that Frazier made clear in several interviews and statements that AT THE TIME OF THE PRAYER MAN PHOTOGRAPHY Stanton was standing to his right...Lovelady confirmed that Stanton was "Next to me to the far right of the entranceway when the limousine passed the steps" (Warren Commission)...That was 9 seconds before Wiegman where we can see Prayer Man in that spot...Prayer Man pivots towards Frazier from Wiegman to Darnell exactly how Frazier described Stanton as doing at the time...It is quite clear that the lack of Peer Review on the Kennedy internet, along with a clear bias, has led to Stancak being allowed to deny the evidence via his hair color straw man...After posting his ridiculous foot on the step claim Stancak accuses ME of offering nonsense...And does so while ignoring Davidson's confirmation that Stanton was Prayer Man's exact height in Owens...Stancak never answers the point about Altgens' telephoto lens distortion placing Sanders further back than he thinks...
Me: “You have failed to mention that Wiegman is the same film from which Chris Davidson enhanced Sarah Stanton’s face on Prayer Man…If you look at Morissette’s second screen shot of Owens you can just make out an elbow-length sleeve on Sarah Stanton…If we then go to Prayer Man in Darnell we see that exact same elbow-length sleeve…That’s a dead match and it proves that Prayer Man is Stanton…The reason Tiny Face is Pauline Sanders is because Tiny Face is standing exactly where Sanders told the Commission she was…Sanders retreated back to the glass and shadow in Darnell 40 seconds later…But she was lit by sun in Altgens 6…Both Lovelady and Frazier place Stanton in the Prayer Man spot in their statements…Lovelady did so 9 seconds before Wiegman in Hughes…Frazier, 45 seconds later in Darnell…”
Stanton: ">This is difficult to follow. Can you please write and post your analysis of Prayer Man, for instance on a blog? You can create your own blog for free, and you would have all the space to outlet your ideas and arguments there. Then, other people could read your theory and take you for word and discuss because it would be clear which data you are using to support your arguments."
It is not at all difficult to follow Mr Stancak...That is just your excuse for not recognizing what I have been posting for 10 years because you automatically reject it instead of honestly pursuing it...The failure here is not from my end...The evidence I have been posting for the last 7 years is clear enough...The problem lay with those who react to it with automatic rejection, trolling, false accusations of rules violations, and ultimately banning and censoring of correct evidence...They don't stop there...They then go after that poster and destroy him as a researcher...Why should I have to create a blog when the existing websites were set up exactly for discussion of such subjects?...Could it be that the blame lay with them and not me?...I'm sorry Andrej, but Davidson bringing out Stanton's face on Prayer Man is not difficult to follow...The only reason it was not subjected to Peer Review was because of a criminal moderator named James Gordon...
Andrej...If you were honest you would admit that I have proven my case here and on those websites...For you to say I deserved to be banned on those sites is a low blow and the truth is the clique influenced their favoring moderators and I was banned because the sacred cows were about to have their asses handed to them by someone they held in contempt and ridiculed...It exposed them for what they are and that couldn't be allowed...My evidence speaks for itself as does their desperation to use censorship to keep it from Peer Review...
For those reading this Andrej followed his reply above by removing my comments from his blog and blocking me from his comments section...He's never going to admit that Tiny Face is Pauline Sanders and therefore proves that Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...This research community is absolutely shameless...