21-11-2010, 07:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 21-11-2010, 07:16 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
James H. Fetzer Wrote:It kinda makes you wonder why Jack Ruby said it wouldn't have happened if somebody else had been vice president. Curious.
Albert Doyle Wrote:I agree with Charles. It's a serious mistake to give too much credit to Johnson. It's like accepting an offer that the other side is all too willing to pay and thinking you got a good deal. You're accepting the "offer" too quickly, and in doing so are allowing some very heavy players off the hook. The value of the credit that is being placed on Johnson, and its tone of importance, rightly belongs on the real players above Johnson. When you make a big issue of Johnson being the mastermind, deserving exposure he has escaped up to now, you expend the energy and surprise needed for those who actually deserve that credit in that way. In effect, you are doing a very damning and valid - yet equally unjust "limited hang-out" which only benefits the real masterminds. When you focus on Johnson you swing the teeter totter towards Johnson's side when it most rightly belongs on the shadow government side with all its diverse players including Angleton, Dulles, the oligarchs, CIA/mob underground, etc.
And, it's a mistake to say Johnson was irreplaceable. Johnson was just a bridge to Nixon, who was the heir apparent all the way back to 1960 when he was expected to be in place but was upset by a young populist president who swung himself into power on the enthusiasm towards a change in the miring politics of the Cold War.
Therefore using the specific word "mastermind" makes the semantic mistake of throwing the switch and giving Johnson credit that rightly and deservedly belongs to others. There's a very simple way to look at this, Johnson is long dead and gone, but the real masterminds are still very much in power, and that's the way you have to look at it. Johnson can be seen as an evil king who killed Kennedy but those who really know what killed Kennedy know it was a broader inertia and momentum that correctly belongs elsewhere.
Charles is entirely and 100% correct.
Ruby was in on the lowest level of [one isolated part of the plot[s], IMO,...and might, for that reason, have had a distorted view of who really was in control...of course he had those who controlled him and what they told him...but was that the actual truth...I think not. Ruby got correctly [how could he NOT!] that it was a conspiracy and that conspiracy INVOLVED LBJ, but I don't think Ruby had the bigger picture of who was pulling his, others' and America's 'strings'......
What Ruby has said is important and because it is important, it has been officially and by the MSM ignored. However, I think Ruby only knew a layer or three who directed him - not who the Mr. Bigs were....or he would have died long before he did [by unnatural causes, as it was] - and more in the time-frame of patsy Oswald.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass