John Lennon would be 70 today

[Albert Doyle]

You may well be correct or on the right trail....at this point I'm not [yet] convinced as to whether MDC read his programming script of his own 'volition' (sic!), or that his programmers wanted him to, as you posit....but either way it is as cynical as you say.

You don't know how glad I am you wrote that because it is perfectly in line with what we know. My first thoughts were Bresler makes a strong case but it is still possible Chapman "programmed" himself in a way that was identically similar to covert mind control. It is possible Chapman had a borderline personality prone to schizophrenic tendencies and the extreme traumatic experience of boyhood drug use and LSD exacerbated this into a disturbed condition. Let's just say that such personalities are doing to themselves exactly what the MK-ULTRA controllers were doing to their subjects. You could make a very good argument that Mark Chapman created this huge psychological rift between high school drug use and born again christianity, which were at such opposite extremes that they created a mental schism that caused Chapman to become unstable. The reason the MK-ULTRA group used LSD was because it had such bizarre effects of the mind. A person who has his psyche influenced by this pseudo-schizophrenic aspect of LSD could enter a bizarre world where things take on the extreme illumination and magically-interpreted meanings of the schizophrenic state. In light of this it is very possible Chapman had managed to MK-ULTRA program himself and had tuned himself to irrational wavelengths of schizophrenic notions imparted to him by this LSD altered state where things take on magical or even divinely-inspired meaning.

The reason I'm overjoyed at what you wrote is because it shows you understand the most important subtle clues about this difficult mental phenomenon. You impressed me because you wrote exactly what I was going to write in my next reply. That is that the larger political influences surrounding both Chapman and Lennon were intense enough on their own to have pushed Chapman towards this resolve based only on the general unavoidable direction those forces ultimately moved in. It is possible Chapman shot Lennon because of the unique psychological confluence of Chapman's LSD-disturbed mind in coordination with his grandiose religious inclinations. What Mark Chapman might not be able to admit directly is he shot John Lennon as a christian act in order to punish that which he felt violated his christianity and caused him to seek refuge in it after his sinful drug life. The christianity supercharged his sense of self and life mission while the LSD mental disturbance gave it a particular illumination that was seen as divine and therefore not resistible. If this is the case then Chapman didn't kill Lennon for fame, nor did he kill him to become him, he killed him because it was a divine mission to carry out the objective of christian religion as he understood it and as it was communicated to him in a special magical way that appeared to his LSD-compromised mind as divine influence. A mind that has been stressed by life and motivated by the high passions of religion can be extremely vulnerable to acting on irrational impulse justified by internalized higher designs. Add LSD to this and you are through the looking glass as far as mental cogency. At this point, as you say, the overt 'cynicism' of the general process is enough to move the individual in the same way any controllers would have and is therefore impossible to separate. Mark David Chapman would therefore be a personality who happened to define his grandiosity by means of the very same political forces that both John Lennon and his enemies defined themselves by. This wasn't as much coincidence as it was an affirmation that those political forces were so sharply defined and polarized that a person of Chapman's mental condition would automatically fall into them. If Mark Chapman wasn't programmed by CIA spooks then he was programmed by the strong political backdrop that those CIA politics came from like the YMCA, political christianity, and his interaction with CIA Viet Nam refugees, and southern police officers. So you are keenly on the bead here because at that point it really doesn't make any difference, the influence was exactly the same and CIA would have been given a freebie at that point by an automatically self-MK-ULTRA programmed proxy assassin. Chapman never would have killed Lennon for christian purposes alone, but he would have killed him for the divine mission those christian influences created in his LSD-disturbed mind when those stresses pushed it to the breaking point which resulted in driving Chapman into this magical Catcher In The Rye fantasy land. It was in that fantasy land that the magical interpretations now made sense and connected to christian justifications. If it did happen this way then Lennon's enemies just lucked out that coincidental forces drove Chapman exactly the same way their mind programming would have with the same results.

However I don't think it happened that way. If you look at Chapman's history he ended up in the YMCA. Some CIA agents who quit the agency and admitted some of their practices said CIA used YMCA as cover and a recruiting source. Like Lee Harvey Oswald Chapman's first move after joining the YMCA was to try to get a camp counselor job with the YMCA in Russia. Not getting this he then ended up in Beirut but was forced out by the escalation of the civil war there. Russia and Beirut were not christian destinations as much as they were CIA ones. From Beirut Chapman ended up becoming a helper for fleeing Viet Namese refugees at Fort Chaffee Arkansas. Those refugees were of course persons who had strong CIA contact. This was a highly CIA-type of activity moving in circles directly-connected to CIA interests. Bresler notes that when Chapman finished this job he was picked-up by his Georgia Sheriff's trooper friend Dana Reeves, the same man who gave him the hollow point bullets that killed Lennon.

Before Chapman married he took an expensive around the world trip on a loan from his credit union. Chapman was a low-income worker without any collateral. These people are usually not given loans for expensive whims. Bresler speculates that Chapman's covert controllers made sure he got that loan as reward for whatever program he was involved with.


Bresler found some serious evidence. He spoke to the Honolulu police captain who investigated Chapman and found the ticket he purchased was from Honolulu to Chicago and return. You might say that Chapman wanted to conceal his intention so he only bought a ticket to Chicago and then bought another onward ticket to New York, however there's a few problems with that. His baggage claim ticket found amongst his belongings said Honolulu-Chicago-New York. You might say 'so what?', however if Chapman only bought a ticket to Chicago his baggage claim would have only said Honolulu-Chicago. There's no way they would print an onward destination on the claim ticket without the passenger having a flying ticket for that destination. So you might say Chapman bought the onward portion before getting on in Hawaii, however that can't be true because if Chapman had done that they would have re-issued a ticket with all those destinations listed on its face. The ticket they found in Chapman's New York hotel room was only for Honolulu to Chicago and return. There was no Chicago LaGuardia portion, nor any return ticket for that segment either. And they wouldn't have listed any Honolulu point of origin on any ticket Chapman bought in Chicago since it was a new and separate flight. The baggage claim ticket was issued in Hawaii. Bresler says this is evidence of CIA's manipulation of Chapman's ticket.

But that's not all. Bresler asked Honolulu's Captain Souza to confirm the departure date. Souza said his original investigation discovered Chapman departed from Hawaii on December 2nd. Souza had even gone to the United Airlines ticket counter and confirmed Chapman had traveled on the 2nd. Bresler contacted the New York detectives who investigated the case and found that the ticket they possessed indicated a December 5th departure - the same day Chapman arrived in New York. Bresler was stymied until he found a Honolulu Observer article from the 10th of December 1980 where Gloria Abe was quoted as saying Mark left 8-10 days ago. 8 days before the 10th was the 2nd. It doesn't seem likely Ms Abe would have mistaken the friday 5 days previous, as being 10 days previous. But, in any case, Souza already confirmed with United that Chapman had traveled on the 2nd. By the time Bresler discovered this United said it had routinely destroyed those records. Bresler was sure CIA forged the ticket in the possession of the New York police. The New York District Attorney had also compiled a transportation record in the case, however when Bresler asked for it to confirm the departure date they said it was missing.

There's much more, however there is enough here alone to show a familiar pattern those of us who have studied the JFK and RFK assassinations recognize. It is very likely Mark David Chapman was the perfect patsy because his background and personal inclinations were so in dovetail with CIA's purposes that it was impossible to distinguish between the two. Chapman's personal make-up and life direction was so perfectly coordinated with the forces that naturally stood in opposition to Lennon that it would have taken very little tweaking to manipulate him to kill Lennon. He's such a perfectly camouflaged patsy that it is really almost impossible to separate out any CIA hypnotic mind control from his influences and actions. His professed mental illness was so profoundly constructed that it would be very easy to hide any mind control within it.

'They' are basically saying [in this example Dallas]: "Yes, we murdered the most popular President right in the middle of the street, in the middle of the day, in the middle of his security detail, in Middle American - and what are you going to do about it - what can you do about it - NOTHING!

Agreed, and those are the people who would have no fear doing evil perfection of the process by developing the ability to control somebody's fantasy land externally in order to make them appear undeniably crazy. These people are so diabolical and so evil that they pursued the process by figuring out how to extend their influence all the way into the psychotic dimensions of the fantasy lands they created in their victims heads in order to choreograph all aspects of the set-up including those inside the hypnotically-created fantasy.

If the current financial meltdown doesn't awaken the sleeping/programmed masses, you can kiss America's arss goodbye...and they won't even know what 'hit' them as they perish.... :alberteinstein: 'Tis the sad end of an even sadder Empire, and failed experiment IMHO. Better luck next time...if there is a next time.

That's the whole idea in the first place, to create a new world order that isn't necessarily controlled from America. The ultimate international corporate state owing to no one but themselves...