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John Lennon would be 70 today
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Albert Doyle Wrote:You don't know how glad I am you wrote that because it is perfectly in line with what we know. My first thoughts were Bresler makes a strong case but it is still possible Chapman "programmed" himself in a way that was identically similar to covert mind control. It is possible Chapman had a borderline personality prone to schizophrenic tendencies and the extreme traumatic experience of boyhood drug use and LSD exacerbated this into a disturbed condition. Let's just say that such personalities are doing to themselves exactly what the MK-ULTRA controllers were doing to their subjects. You could make a very good argument that Mark Chapman created this huge psychological rift between high school drug use and born again christianity, which were at such opposite extremes that they created a mental schism that caused Chapman to become unstable. The reason the MK-ULTRA group used LSD was because it had such bizarre effects of the mind. A person who has his psyche influenced by this pseudo-schizophrenic aspect of LSD could enter a bizarre world where things take on the extreme illumination and magically-interpreted meanings of the schizophrenic state. In light of this it is very possible Chapman had managed to MK-ULTRA program himself and had tuned himself to irrational wavelengths of schizophrenic notions imparted to him by this LSD altered state where things take on magical or even divinely-inspired meaning.

Albert - I agree with you that LSD creates a mental state in which epiphanies are possible. Some of these epiphanies are inevitably faux, but do not appear false to the person who has experienced the "deep insight". So, yes, LSD can create a state of inspired, or religiously inspired, conviction in the rightness of one's course.

However, I'm not sure what you mean by a person "MK-ULTRA programming himself". Fundamentally, the mind control programmes such as MK-ULTRA are framed around a controller attempting to shape, frame and control the behaviour of his subject. It takes two...

I agree with you that Bresler's book, which I last read many years ago, has some interesting evidence. Chapman's presence in Hawaii is provocative. There's circumstantial evidence that there's an "MK-ULTRA" hospital wing in Hawaii, and that the Revd Jim Jones was sent there to have his programming renewed at the time his doppelganger was running round Cuba causing trouble.....
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

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John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 09-10-2010, 04:34 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 09-10-2010, 05:33 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Magda Hassan - 10-10-2010, 02:59 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 10-10-2010, 02:41 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 11-10-2010, 04:17 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Jan Klimkowski - 11-10-2010, 07:24 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 17-10-2010, 06:44 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 18-10-2010, 05:15 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Presland - 18-10-2010, 06:40 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Charles Drago - 18-10-2010, 08:47 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 01-11-2010, 08:42 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 04-12-2010, 06:07 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 04-12-2010, 07:14 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Keith Millea - 04-12-2010, 07:49 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Presland - 04-12-2010, 08:26 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Ed Jewett - 05-12-2010, 05:37 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 05-12-2010, 06:34 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 12-03-2011, 01:43 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 27-03-2011, 06:09 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 04-04-2011, 03:59 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 19-04-2011, 07:45 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Lemkin - 19-04-2011, 08:18 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 20-04-2011, 05:00 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Jan Klimkowski - 22-04-2011, 10:36 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Lemkin - 23-04-2011, 07:47 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Keith Millea - 23-04-2011, 03:20 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Jan Klimkowski - 23-04-2011, 04:22 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 23-04-2011, 06:15 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Jan Klimkowski - 23-04-2011, 06:39 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 24-04-2011, 04:13 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Lemkin - 24-04-2011, 04:30 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 25-04-2011, 05:22 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Jan Klimkowski - 25-04-2011, 05:29 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 26-04-2011, 04:42 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Jan Klimkowski - 26-04-2011, 08:01 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 25-12-2011, 07:40 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Lemkin - 25-12-2011, 08:41 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 25-12-2011, 09:04 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 26-12-2011, 06:49 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 06-01-2012, 01:33 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 06-01-2012, 01:38 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 06-01-2012, 05:49 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 10-04-2012, 07:49 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 02-07-2012, 08:07 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 02-07-2012, 08:19 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Adele Edisen - 26-07-2012, 10:59 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Lemkin - 26-07-2012, 11:29 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Adele Edisen - 26-07-2012, 11:43 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Lemkin - 27-07-2012, 12:01 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Lemkin - 27-07-2012, 12:03 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Adele Edisen - 27-07-2012, 12:14 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 27-07-2012, 04:07 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 31-08-2012, 09:49 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 02-09-2012, 05:41 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 02-09-2012, 08:00 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 16-10-2012, 12:24 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 17-10-2012, 07:11 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 18-10-2012, 02:06 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 18-10-2012, 04:28 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 18-10-2012, 06:17 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 08-12-2012, 04:30 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 08-12-2012, 05:53 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Charles Drago - 08-12-2012, 06:03 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Lemkin - 08-12-2012, 10:35 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 09-12-2012, 01:34 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 09-12-2012, 06:26 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Greg Burnham - 22-12-2012, 07:09 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Jan Klimkowski - 22-12-2012, 02:43 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 09-12-2013, 01:58 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Lemkin - 09-12-2013, 09:10 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 09-12-2013, 04:14 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Presland - 09-12-2013, 04:40 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 10-12-2013, 12:55 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 02-02-2014, 04:24 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 11-02-2014, 03:33 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 11-02-2014, 03:52 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 19-06-2014, 05:12 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Lauren Johnson - 19-06-2014, 06:07 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 20-06-2014, 02:55 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 20-06-2014, 03:23 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 08-12-2014, 02:57 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 08-12-2014, 05:28 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 09-12-2014, 01:01 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Lemkin - 09-12-2014, 06:40 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Peter Lemkin - 09-12-2014, 06:42 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Tracy Riddle - 09-12-2014, 10:09 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 09-12-2014, 10:42 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 10-12-2014, 11:48 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Don Jeffries - 11-12-2014, 03:23 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 11-12-2014, 09:52 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Anthony Thorne - 12-12-2014, 03:45 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 12-12-2014, 05:09 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by R.K. Locke - 12-12-2014, 09:05 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 13-12-2014, 12:28 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 11-01-2015, 08:07 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 09-10-2015, 01:55 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Magda Hassan - 09-10-2015, 03:27 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Albert Doyle - 09-10-2015, 04:10 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Dawn Meredith - 09-10-2015, 10:33 PM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Ashley Wood - 12-10-2015, 01:07 AM
John Lennon would be 70 today - by Brian Doyle - 27-04-2023, 08:50 PM
RE: John Lennon would be 70 today - by Alan Ford - 15-10-2024, 04:46 PM

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