12-02-2013, 02:02 PM
I had to read back over this thread. I hope I didn't create the impression I don't agree with anyone or want to debate anyone.
I endorse the civil exchange of information even in heated discussions.
I have and had no intention to disagree with anyone. I am not armed to debate Mr. Jim DiEugenio, his "internal database" of data is far larger than mine.
I encourage the moderated discussion of DB2 Ed for my own benefit and others, to LEARN from Jim's effort, AND FOR NO OTHER REASON, except to spread the word of that updated book. No debate to me. Maybe a question or two, but no "debate" per se. Information seeking and clarifying queries only is my intent in this discussion if it ever goes down.
If there is anything between us, I don't know of it, Jim DiEugenio. 'Cuse if I made that impression.
It is hard to absorb knowledge when concerned with saving face or scoring debating points.
Why bother if not to LEARN from each other and establish the unity thing.
So we can stop the Conspiracy "debate" cold. No room for it as long as one is informed of the truth circa 2013. We can play a role in that.
Charles,
first thanks for your kind statements, second, I must point out how strong Mr. G. M. Evica's "A Certain Arrogance" is.
The point Mr. Evica makes is telling. In the context of subversion and deception - but the parallels exist in the history of DP research. Even Ms. Meagher and all the rest from the beginning have seen the discord and contention get in the way of the efforts of good folks. As have we all in one way or another.
I wish a genuine coalition across the community were possible, but the enemy cannot risk that development. They have a vested interest in keeping the anger and ego and angst at a higher level to prevent UNITY of Efforts.
FWIW
Jim
I endorse the civil exchange of information even in heated discussions.
I have and had no intention to disagree with anyone. I am not armed to debate Mr. Jim DiEugenio, his "internal database" of data is far larger than mine.
I encourage the moderated discussion of DB2 Ed for my own benefit and others, to LEARN from Jim's effort, AND FOR NO OTHER REASON, except to spread the word of that updated book. No debate to me. Maybe a question or two, but no "debate" per se. Information seeking and clarifying queries only is my intent in this discussion if it ever goes down.
If there is anything between us, I don't know of it, Jim DiEugenio. 'Cuse if I made that impression.
It is hard to absorb knowledge when concerned with saving face or scoring debating points.
Why bother if not to LEARN from each other and establish the unity thing.
So we can stop the Conspiracy "debate" cold. No room for it as long as one is informed of the truth circa 2013. We can play a role in that.
Charles,
first thanks for your kind statements, second, I must point out how strong Mr. G. M. Evica's "A Certain Arrogance" is.
The point Mr. Evica makes is telling. In the context of subversion and deception - but the parallels exist in the history of DP research. Even Ms. Meagher and all the rest from the beginning have seen the discord and contention get in the way of the efforts of good folks. As have we all in one way or another.
I wish a genuine coalition across the community were possible, but the enemy cannot risk that development. They have a vested interest in keeping the anger and ego and angst at a higher level to prevent UNITY of Efforts.
FWIW
Jim
Read not to contradict and confute;
nor to believe and take for granted;
nor to find talk and discourse;
but to weigh and consider.
FRANCIS BACON
nor to believe and take for granted;
nor to find talk and discourse;
but to weigh and consider.
FRANCIS BACON