12-02-2013, 11:56 PM
Charles Drago Wrote:David,
You're making the critical and all-too-common mistake that three generations of JFK researchers have made when attempting not just to prove conspiracy, but also to define and deliver justice in this matter: You're getting ahead of yourself.
Please re-read my post # 1 on this thread. Note in particular what I suggest must be our first step:
STEP A -- HOW was JFK killed? In other words, agree upon and share unassailable evidence for CONSPIRACY. This must NOT be about exonerating Lee Harvey Oswald or anyone else. This must NOT be about inculpating any individuals or systems. Rather, it must be a sober presentation of science-based evidence that demonstrates, beyond all doubt and to the degree of metaphysical certitude, that JFK was shot by two or more individuals acting in concert.
Like countless others, you neither differentiate between nor prioritize within strategic context the "how" and "who" questions.
I'm curious though Charles...
Given the conspiracy and the impossibility of determining what occurred from the evidence available to us...
How does one go about determining HOW to piece together the elements that caused his death when the pieces we are using to build this conclusion are not even from this puzzle?
We've been at this a long long time Charles....
Have you discovered any unassailable evidence that JFK was hit from the front other than the eye witness testimony and HSCA acoustics (which have both been assailed repeatedly over the years).
Are we to say the Zapruder (and Nix/Muchmore) films constitute this level of evidence - when at the same time we claim what Zfilm we have is not even to be the original film?
"Sober, science based evidence"
The physical reality of the coat/shirt/back added to the anatomically impossible path from back to front without hitting anything,
and the complete lack of a channel of transit... AND the FBI reports AND Hoover telling us that Oswald NOT be considered the only man involved....
seems at least to me... the only "sober, science based evidence" that reaches our conclusion and is unassailable.
Specter holds the point on the man's shoulder to get it to reach Connally correctly... (attached)
Do we not at least agree that an unassailable proof the SBT is impossible in a real, physical world constitutes the kind of evidence we desire?
Turning now to WHO
Other than readying Palamara... how do we show SS involvement....? IMO, back to CE399's chain of evidence.
CE399 comes into existence with Chief Rowley handing it to Elmer Todd and Frazier receiving it from Todd AFTER he's already received it. (as well as docs talking about the two bullets, one found behind JFK's ear)
Is there any other "sober, science based evidence" of SS involvement, or not, in the conspiracy?
I don't think we can use the SS agent "sightings" thru witness testimony as ironclad proof someone was impersonating an SS agent...
these witnesses COULD be reaching their own conclusions as to what they heard or thought they saw...
So again... some from the SS had to be involved... you want to introduce the casket charade to this easily presented argument....
Once the SBT is soundly defeated, which it most certainly has, we have the cornerstone of our "position".
And I submit that the few things brought to this conversation related to Hoover, the autopsy and CE399 create an equally unassailable position
describing the elements of the conspiracy related to hiding the fact that more than one person was involved.
It talks nothing of Oswald other than his relationship to "A" conspiracy eminating from Cuba as understood by Hoover
It traces CE399 from its actual origin to its place in history
and finally makes it impossible for a single person to have accomplished the described results...
Hoover: No, the president wasn't hit with the second one
LBJ: I say, if Connally hadn't been in his way
Hoover: Oh yes... yes.. the President would not doubt have been hit...
and thanks to Hoover yet again... we see that both he and LBJ concede that if JC was not in the way... sitting a foot or two in front of him in the limo, JFK gets hit again.
Why again would Hoover describing the actual shooting positions of the men in DP along with the acknowledgement of physical evidence that "someone" is using Oswald's name in Mexico City as well as receiving $$ for killing JFK as well as Rowley bringing CE399 into the picture... how does thisNOT meet our needs of the type of evidence you think we should compile?
What esle does Joe Streetcorner need to understand... and if Joe Streetcorner is not our audience... Charles, who is... Those that understand?, those that don't and won't? Those on the fence?
As I said in my first post on the subject...
Until we know who we are talking to... how can a message be fashioned with any effectiveness?
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