06-04-2013, 03:33 PM
Dr. Louis Jolyon West's observation that:
I can imagine that a great many Tibetan monks - amongst numerous others from around the world - would find the definition of a trance state to be a clinical disorder, to be a curious and inaccurate description, when considered against the extremely arduous meditational training undertaken by them to consciously reach such a state.
I would add that I think that a deep trance state can occur whilst still in full control of one's faculties. The latter are just put on a sort of temporary peg parked off to one side, I believe, while the controlling mind almost fully participates in a different dimensional experience that, it is said, can be quite as real and beguiling as our own breathing material being's involvement in the here and now.
For me it demonstrates a doctors understanding of matters that he doesn't really comprehend and certainly hasn't experienced himself. Rather like a Martian who, from afar, attempts to describe to other Martians the taste of an earthlings McDonald's burger, where his native language doesn't contain the words "shit" and "awful".
I have to say that, along with millions of others, I have experienced sleep paralysis periodically. It's always very interesting. To say the least.
I think perhaps, I should apologize to Jan for my foregoing contributions because properly they belongs in the Alchemy folder rather than here in the Science folder. One day the two subjects should be close friends, rather than mutual misunderstandings. That time hasn't arrived yet, although we see the spychiatrists are making considerable progress. For all the wrong reasons, sadly. In other words, purely for control and commerce.
Quote:These reactions have many features in common with a variety of clinical disorders including "sleep paralysis", trance states,
I can imagine that a great many Tibetan monks - amongst numerous others from around the world - would find the definition of a trance state to be a clinical disorder, to be a curious and inaccurate description, when considered against the extremely arduous meditational training undertaken by them to consciously reach such a state.
I would add that I think that a deep trance state can occur whilst still in full control of one's faculties. The latter are just put on a sort of temporary peg parked off to one side, I believe, while the controlling mind almost fully participates in a different dimensional experience that, it is said, can be quite as real and beguiling as our own breathing material being's involvement in the here and now.
For me it demonstrates a doctors understanding of matters that he doesn't really comprehend and certainly hasn't experienced himself. Rather like a Martian who, from afar, attempts to describe to other Martians the taste of an earthlings McDonald's burger, where his native language doesn't contain the words "shit" and "awful".
I have to say that, along with millions of others, I have experienced sleep paralysis periodically. It's always very interesting. To say the least.
I think perhaps, I should apologize to Jan for my foregoing contributions because properly they belongs in the Alchemy folder rather than here in the Science folder. One day the two subjects should be close friends, rather than mutual misunderstandings. That time hasn't arrived yet, although we see the spychiatrists are making considerable progress. For all the wrong reasons, sadly. In other words, purely for control and commerce.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14