Proof that the FBI and some researchers play fast and loose with the Truth

[Linda Minor]

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Billy W. Anglin (the officer assigned to patrol Harlandale) was listed as a patrolman in the same division with J. D. Tippit. I notice the name Charles W. Harrison in the same list. It is my understanding that Jay Harrison had been a friend of Tippit in Dallas and had worked in some type of police work, but I don't know if this Harrison was related to him or not.

As for Patrolman Anglin, who has been said to have been Tippit's closest friend, there are several more hits at Mary Ferrell:

Commission Document 1420 - FBI Letterhead Memorandum of 11 Aug 1964 re: Transcripts 22 Nov and 24 Nov pg 64
Found in: Warren Commission Documents
) 19 (Sergeant C B OWENS) 79 (Patrolman B W ANGLIN) 412 (Criminal Investigation Division) 'Dispatcher (HULSE and JACKSON) 75 (Patrolman E G SEBASTIAN) Dispatcher (HULSE and JACKSON) Res ASSASSINATION OF
(UNDATED)
Commission Document 1245 - FBI Gemberling Report of 02 Jul 1964 re: Oswald - Russia/Cuba pg 285
Found in: Warren Commission Documents
282 Americo Michael J 63 Anderson Louie L 98 99 Andries Ronald 105 Angel Dr Pedro Antonio 234 Angell J L 153 Anglin B W 148 Anselmo Maria 60 Anselmo Self-Service Waaheteria New Orleans Louisiana
(UNDATED)
Commission Document 1107 - FBI Gemberling Report of 15 May 1964 re: Assassination of Pres. Kennedy (5 Volumes) pg 1191
Found in: Warren Commission Documents
Maria De Los 962 Anglin Vernon R 731 Anthony John 92 Anthony John J 91 93 Anthony P A 604 Anti-Defamation League 181 Antrim Mona (Mrs.) 798 Aragon Ernest 37 Archibald Viola (Mrs.) 9 10 Arrington Gerald
(UNDATED)
ADMIN FOLDER-R6: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, DALLAS INDEX A-L, LHO pg 24
Found in: FBI - HSCA Administrative Folders
197 American Flag upside down 136 American Labor Party 282 Americo Michael J 63 Anderson Louie L 98 99 Andries Ronald 105 Angel Dr Pedro Antonio 234 Angell J L 153 Anglin B W 148 Anselmo Maria 60 Anselmo
RIF#: 124-10369-10039 (UNDATED) FBI#: 62-117290-ADMIN FOLDER-R6

Commission Document 1002 - FBI Letter from Director of 02 Jun 1964 with Attachments re: J.D. Tippit pg 7
Found in: Warren Commission Documents
4:00 P.M. as he and fellow police officers and neighbor BILL ANGLIN wanted to install a wheel bearing in Mr TIPPIT's 1953 Ford ANGLIN and TIPPIT did install this bearing working from about 4:00 P.M until
(UNDATED)

FBI 105-82555 Oswald HQ File, Section 171 pg 81
Found in: FBI Oswald Headquarters File (105-82555)
subsequent assign ments of these officers Res LEE HARVEY OSWALD R B COUNTS 225 B L BASS 232 C F GOODSON 125 J T SMITH 101 T R BURTON 49 B W ANGLIN 76 Captain TALBERT advised that the following officers
(UNDATED)

FBI 62-109060 JFK HQ File, Section 53 pg 229
Found in: FBI JFK Assassination File (62-109060)
me to go 125 Return to the detail room or to the traffic office 210 79 Officer ANGLIN is going to remain with the family I'm en route to get .. (3:35 p.m.) 25 What does that squad have that just
(UNDATED)

MASTER INDEX TO THE J.F.K. ASSASSINATION INVESTIGATIONS: REPORTS AND SUPPORTING VOLUMES pg 4
Found in: Russ Holmes Work File
25 6 30-1 XII 408 Angiulo Gennaru V 447 DC 41 Angleton James J IV 10 XI 57 476-9 491 503 XII 633-4 Anglin Bill XII 36-7 Anson Robert Sam VU 358 Anstet R IV 507-9 523-7 IX 186 Apariciu Luis III 105 Appel Kevin IX
RIF#: 104-10431-10021 (00/00/) CIA#: RUSS HOLMES WORK FILE

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Name: Thelma A Waggoner
Spouse: Billy W Anglin
Birth: 1940
Birth: 1935
Marriage: 28 Sep 1984 - Collin, Texas

[There are several hits at the article below for Officer Anglin.]
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/car10.htm

"Car Number 10 -- Where are You?"
Copyright © 1997,1998 William M. Drenas.
Revised 10/98 -- Added Text in Blue

This discussion has no hidden agenda. It does not support anybody's pro-conspiracy or anti-conspiracy theories. I am just a regular guy who wants to find out the truth about the murders of President Kennedy and Officer J.D. Tippit. I have used the best possible research documents available to me. In most cases I have used the witness's own words, I find it very undesirable to use an author's interpretation of a witness's interview or authors who reference each other's work. Also, I have tried to use the logic and common sense that should dictate our day to day lives and have not made use of any semantics. This study may create more questions than it answers, however, this is research that I believe should have been done. ....

Mrs. Harrison advised she prepared Oswald's eggs and Mary Dowling served them to him. Mrs. Harrison went on to say that when seeing Oswald at the Dobbs House he "did not talk much and was always reading magazines or books." She related although she saw Oswald at the Dobbs House a number of times she did not know his identity until seeing his picture in the newspapers as the accused assassin of President Kennedy.

Although Mary Dowling could have been mistaken about seeing Oswald at about 10:00 A.M., we do have corroborated statements that the "Oswald's eggs" story really happened, and statements that Oswald had eaten in the Dobbs House at different times. The Dobbs House was only two blocks away from his rooming house it is logical that he did indeed eat there on occasion.

The statement that Tippit was in the restaurant , as was his habit about the same time each morning, is very curious. There is a big difference in mistaking someone that you have seen a few times (in this case Oswald) as opposed to a person you would see at the same time at the same location everyday, and perhaps know personally or at least by name.

The Dobbs House was a little over six miles Northwest from the closest point of Tippit's assigned patrol district, #78 and under normal driving conditions would take 17 minutes to make this trip. Given the fact that Tippit had worked the Oak Cliff Area for many years and he probably knew many short cuts for his travels around Oak Cliff. Also the fact that he was driving a police car and was not really subject to traffic laws, the travel times that are stated for normal conditions could have been reduced by a few minutes, although he still would have to deal with vehicle and pedestrian traffic to some degree. From this point on this reduced time will be referred to as Tippit Travel Time.

As we shall see, there are other reports of him being far from his patrol district on a regular basis. For Tippit to have a coffee break at Dobb's House at 1221 N. Beckley, It would take a minimum of 15 minutes to get there from his patrol district, about 10-15 minutes for coffee and at least 15 minutes to get back to Tippit's assigned patrol district. A grand total of about 45 minutes. It defies logic that the Dallas Police Department would authorize a coffee break location that was that far from Tippit's Patrol District.

Unfortunately, neither Mary Dowling nor Dolores Harrison (also a waitress at the Dobbs House) ever testified for the Warren Commission or the House Select Committee on Assassinations. A search of the National Archives On-line Data Base, failed to find any documents containing these names.

To the best of my knowledge no independent researchers have ever interviewed them.

The questioning that was done by the FBI was to investigate the Oswald-Ruby connection, not to retrace Tippit's movements. From the eyewitness accounts that are available, we can only guess if Tippit stopped at the Dobbs House restaurant on the morning of November 22, 1963, at his usual time for coffee, since this day probably started off like any other day.

The next traceable Tippit sighting is by his best friend and fellow Police Officer, Bill Anglin, from HSCA document # 180-10108-10451 which is a summary of an interview with Anglin on November 11, 1977, where he states "he and J.D. had coffee or tea at "The Old Drive-In" (one source of part-time employment) about 11:30 to 11:45 A.M. on the Morning of November 22, 1963, J.D. usually went home for lunch working day tour." If this was the case, logic would dictate that they met at Austin's Barbecue, located at 2321 West Illinois Avenue. Tippit worked there as a security guard from 10:00 P.M. to 2:00 A.M. on Friday and Saturday nights, from about late 1960 up until the time of the assassination.(2) In a 1982 interview Sgt. Anglin was asked where exactly they had coffee that morning, he replied "it was in Deep South Oak Cliff out on our beat." Although there could have been several Drive-In style Restaurants in that area in 1963 the only Restaurant that Tippit was known to work at was Austin's. Austin's Barbecue was not in Tippit's regular patrol district, #78 nor Anglin's district #79.(3) I have personally searched microfilms of Dallas City Directories for 1963 and several years before and after 1963 and could not find any listing for the "Old Drive-In." At this point I contacted some well informed Dallas area researchers and they had never heard of the "Old Drive In." Given this information it is possible that they met at Austin's Barbecue. Whether or not it happened between 11:30 and 11:45 A.M. will be further discussed. If it turns out that they had coffee in some location on their beats, the timeline remains basically the same, because the distance from the point where Tippit's and Anglin's district meets to Tippit's house is about the same.

In the original “Car 10 Where Are You” article I went through a long explanation of how Bill Anglin could have been mistaken about the exact time that he had “coffee or tea at “The Old Drive-In” with J.D. Tippit on the morning of the assassination. At this point I would like to thank Dale Myers for his excellent book With Malice. This book is a moment to moment account of the Tippit Murder and is a must for anybody that is interested in this crime. In With Malice Dale relates information that he received in his interview with Bill Anglin on March 29, 1983. Thank you Bill Anglin and Dale Myers for clarifying this information for all researchers. Bill Anglin told Dale “We had a cup of tea together at about ten thirty. My beat joined his and we met at a little drive-in – the Rebel Drive-In”(With Malice by Dale Myers page 39). Bill Anglin said they met “out on our beat” in his HSCA interview. Tippit’s and Anglin’s districts split at Leadbetter Drive and that is exactly where The Rebel Drive-In was located between Leadbetter Drive and South Loop 12 at 3172 South Loop 12. (1963 Dallas City Directory). Bill Anglin also told Dale that “As I recall we both got busy right after the break for tea and went our separate ways.” This is true. Another mark out record shows that Tippit was called away to the intersection of Annarbor and Corrigan Avenue about 1.5 miles from the Rebel Drive-In just outside of Tippit’s district. Not much is known about this call except that Tippit was ordered there at 10:40 A.M., about 10 minutes after he met Bill Anglin and Tippit was cleared from the location at 10:45 A.M. ...

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In Buddy Walthers' memo found in the WCR, Vol.19. p.534, Walthers relays
information he received from his informant regarding the house at 3128
Harlendale,

"..I learned today that sometime between seven days before the President
was shot and the day after he was shot these Cubans moved from this house.
My informant stated that subject Oswald had been to this house before."

Dick Russell, author "The Man Who Knew Too Much", established that the
Harlendale house was rented for the refugees by a Manuel Orcaberro
Rodriguez. Rodriguez was cited in a Secret Service memo dated 11/24/63 by
an informant as,

"..known to be violently anti-President Kennedy.".

The report also established that Rodriguez was a serious enough threat to
the President to be placed on the Secret Service's "Protective Research"
list. The report described Rodriguez as,

"..apparently a survivor of the Bay of Pigs episode, was attempting to
purchase arms in Dallas for Alpha 66. Rodriguez is also a member of the
DRE (the Carlos Bringuier group which Silvia's sister, Sarita belonged
to).".

Of course, we know the Alpha 66 and DRE groups were the most radical and
violent of the refugee groups. In fact, as Russell points out, Rodriguez
and his group were under investigation by Frank Ellsworth of the ATF, at
the time of the assassination. The LaFontaines go into Ellsworth's
investigation in much greater detail in "Oswald Talked", establishing that
the Cubans were in the process of buying stolen armaments through Dallas
gun dealer, John Thomas Masen.

All of this was confirmed by agent Frank Ellsworth, BTW.

Masen, who was a member of the radical right-wing Minutemen, distinguished
himself in another way - as a dealer in the rather rare ammunition used in
the MC rifle, LHO is alleged to have used. This is from a 3/27/64 FBI
report, cited on p.542 of TMWKTM,

"Mr. John Thomas Masen, Owner, Masen's Gun Shot... advised he purchased
about ten boxes of 6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano, Western Cartridge Company,
ammunition from Johnny Brinegar in early 1963 and that he sold these 10
boxes to individuals. He stated he was not able to recall the identity of
any persons to whom he sold the ammunition...".

Was Deputy Sheriff Walther's informant correct in claiming Oswald was a
visitor to the Harlendale house? Here is more from Russell's book,

"Lonnie Hudkins, the Texas-based reporter who broke the story on Oswald's
FBI ties as a sometimes informant, also knew of the Harlandale house.
'T.George Harris, the ex-senior editor of Look (magazine) and I went all
through the Little Cuba district in Dallas,' Hudkins said, 'and found
people who said Oswald and others had attended a party the Wednesday night
before the assassination at the Harlandale house."

In "Oswald Talks", Ray and Mary LaFontaine point out that Silvia Odio told
both her ex-best friend and her psychiatrist that she saw LHO several
times at gatherings of these radical Cuban refugee groups. Walther's
informant also reports Oswald was there. Lonnie Hudkins provides more
confirmation.

Should we be suspicious?

This is from a classified teletype sent from FBI headquarters in Miami to
J. Edgar Hoover shortly after the assassination. It was reported in "The
Man Who Knew Too Much", p.540 by Dick Russel,

"..Speculation on future US policy re Cuba is currently topic of
discussion among exiles. Rumors are not circuating among exile Cubans re
possible GOC (Government of Cuba) involvement in Pres Kennedy's death.
Authors these rumors not identified but it clear this being done primarily
in attempt provide strong US action against Cuba...

"A" reported hearing from "B" whose sister's husband "C" is member SNFE
(Second National Front Excambray, an offshoot of Alpha 66) that Eloy
Gutierrez Menoyo commented 21 Nov 63 that "Something very big would happen
soon that would advance Cuban cause."

Robert Harris

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> It has recently been suggested (again) that the rumors about Oswald
> attending some meetings with Cuban exiles at an address known as an
> Alpha-66 meeting place in Dallas, is evidence that has somehow been
> overlooked. Anyone following these debates and watching the ferocious -
> though faulty - efforts of acolytes of the La Fontaines trying to push
> the 'Odio-as-having-known-Oswald-from-previous-meetings' lie, might be
> interested in some of the history of this old Harlendale tale:

> (Excerpted from Gaeton Fonzi's THE LAST INVESTIGATION

> About the time I found Silvia Odio in Miami, a California
> researcher named Paul Hoch sent Senator Schweiker a pre-publication copy
> of an article which would be appearing in the Saturday Evening Post.
> Hoch had written it with George O'Toole, a former CIA computer
> specialist and the author of THE ASSASSINATION TAPES [Zebra Books,
> 1975], a book which revealed that psychological stress analysis of
> Oswald's voice indicates he was telling the truth when he denied killing
> President Kennedy. Hoch himself, a physicist at the University of
> California at Berkeley, was a respected Warren Commission critic known
> for his plodding dissections of Government documents.

> Hoch and O'Toole's article, "Dallas: The Cuban Connection,"
> dealt with the visit to Silvia Odio: "The Saturday Evening Post has
> learned of a link between the Odio incident and one of the many attempts
> on the life of Cuban Premier Fidel Castro carried out by the Central
> Intelligence Agency and Cuban emigres in the early 1960s."

> Hoch had discovered that Silvia Odio's parents had been arrested
> because they had harbored a fugitive named Reynol Gonzalez who was
> wanted for plotting to assassinate Castro in October, 1961. The
> plotters had planned to fire a bazooka from an apartment near the
> Presidential Palace and kill Castro while he was standing on a balcony,
> making one of his marathon speeches. The plot failed (the triggerman
> copped out at the last moment), the potential killers were arrested, and
> Gonzalez was later picked up on the Odio estate. However, Antonio
> Veciana, the chief organizer of the plot, escaped to Miami. There he
> founded Alpha 66, which came to be one of the largest, best- financed
> and most aggressive of the militant Cuban exile groups.

> The article pointed out that Alpha 66 had chapters all over the
> country, that Veciana made frequent fund-raising trips to these
> chapters, and that one of the chapters he visited was in Dallas at "3126
> Hollandale." Digging into the mounds of Warren Commission files, Hoch
> had found a report by a Dallas deputy sheriff saying that an informant
> told him that person resembling Oswald was seen associating with Cubans
> at "3128 Harlendale."

> The article concluded: "Like the two Cubans who, with 'Leon
> Oswald,' visited Silvia Odio in September, 1963, Antonio Veciana was: 1)
> an anti-Castro activist, 2) engaged in raising funds for the commandos,
> and 3) acquainted with Silvia Odio's father. While this falls short of
> proving it, a real possibility exists that Veciana was one of the two
> Cubans who visited Silvia Odio, or that he at least can shed some light
> on the Odio incident."

> I doubted that, but I had the advantage of having spoken to
> Silvia Odio and her father, Amador. If Veciana had been one of Silvia's
> visitors, I assumed both she and Amador would have confirmed that by
> now, since Veciana was a very visible figure in Miami's anti-Castro
> movement. If he hadn't been involved, I doubted that Veciana would know
> anything about the visit, but thought he might be worth talking with
> anyway. I didn't give it any priority, though, because I thought the
> article was overly speculative.

> [...]

> As soon as I saw Veciana I knew that he could not have been
> directly involved in the Odio incident. He simply did not match the
> description of any of Silvia's visitors. (Certainly she would have
> mentioned the large mole, or birthmark, over the right side of his
> mouth.) Later, when I asked Veciana about the Odio incident, he said he
> knew Amador Odio and Silvia, but he knew nothing about the incident.
> That, I thought, knocked out the theory that Hoch and O'Toole had
> advanced in their Post article.

> [...]

> could see no connection between Veciana's activities in
> Miami and what had happened in Dallas. Then Veciana said he had met
> with Bishop over the years in places outside Miami -- including Dallas,
> Las Vegas, Washington, Puerto Rico and Latin America -- and started
> talking about chapters of Alpha 66 he had set up across the country.
> That gave me the opportunity to casually ask him about the one in
> Dallas.

> Yes, Veciana said, he had gone to Dallas and had spoken at some
> fund-raising meetings at the home of the Alpha 66 delegate there.

> I asked him if he knew Jorge Salazar. That was the name
> mentioned in Hoch and O'Toole's article, in the part about Cubans
> gathering at "3126 Hollandale." But I did not mention that to Veciana,
> nor did I say that Lee Harvey Oswald was supposedly seen there.

> "No," said Veciana, "I do not know the Salazar that is mentioned
> in the

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