07-05-2013, 12:20 AM
David Josephs Wrote:In the Towner film you can clearly see Kennedy clench his fist. Then 7 excised frames later you can clearly see Kennedy has shifted his position and is the process of returning to his original position. Interpret this behavior any way you like, but it is there. It is not however present on any part of the Z film prior to his being hit initially. So this must have happened at some point prior to the beginning of the Z film. What makes you think the frame from the Towner film showing his fist clenching, corresponds to Z133?Gordon Gray Wrote:David Josephs Wrote:Thanks Gordon...I don't see any time during the motorcade where Kennedy stops waving, balls his fist and flinches, prior to when he is actually shot. Perhaps you can point several of these instances out. I don't thinks the firecracker sound necessarily had to be associated with this particular shot. I think all of the shooters save one were using suppressors. Other wise more people would have heard more than 3 shots.
I appreciate what Bob has done yet I don't agree with some of his conclusions.
Bob's video has the limo turning wide onto Elm and nowhere near the curb.
The silenced shot was described as a FIRECRACKER... the examples he uses could in no way be confused for a firecracker...
Yet I do believe that there were witnesses who stated they saw dust kick up in the street behind the limo as it turned onto Elm. Which may have been caught on Zapruder and why it is gone.
I honestly cannot understand Bell, Towner and Martin though.
I also see JFK doing the same thing with his hands while waving numerous times thru-out the motorcade...
Bob is onto many interesting option... yet they require a bit more critical thought imo....
I will go and see about finding examples.... yet I also do not take Bob's explanation of what we are seeing at that moment.
Look at z133... and the first few frames. JFK is finishing this wave that Bob claims is a defensive reaction to a shot. and by z170 or so he is once again raising his hand to wave which lasts until he goes behind the sign.
I believe the loss of those 7-8 frames are responsible for his conclusions as he does not see the rest of the action there, nor is he in a position to claim what JFK felt at that moment based on a 1/18 of a second frame capture.
If z133 is not the end of THAT wave then it is the end of yet another wave that started and ended in a few frames. I do not see how the rest of JFK's movements work with Bob's conclusion
DJ