Overlay of films shot in DP

[David Josephs]

Thanks Gordon...

I appreciate what Bob has done yet I don't agree with some of his conclusions.

Bob's video has the limo turning wide onto Elm and nowhere near the curb.
The silenced shot was described as a FIRECRACKER... the examples he uses could in no way be confused for a firecracker...
Yet I do believe that there were witnesses who stated they saw dust kick up in the street behind the limo as it turned onto Elm. Which may have been caught on Zapruder and why it is gone.
I honestly cannot understand Bell, Towner and Martin though.

I also see JFK doing the same thing with his hands while waving numerous times thru-out the motorcade...

Bob is onto many interesting option... yet they require a bit more critical thought imo....

I don't see any time during the motorcade where Kennedy stops waving, balls his fist and flinches, prior to when he is actually shot. Perhaps you can point several of these instances out. I don't thinks the firecracker sound necessarily had to be associated with this particular shot. I think all of the shooters save one were using suppressors. Other wise more people would have heard more than 3 shots.

I will go and see about finding examples.... yet I also do not take Bob's explanation of what we are seeing at that moment.


Look at z133... and the first few frames. JFK is finishing this wave that Bob claims is a defensive reaction to a shot. and by z170 or so he is once again raising his hand to wave which lasts until he goes behind the sign.
I believe the loss of those 7-8 frames are responsible for his conclusions as he does not see the rest of the action there, nor is he in a position to claim what JFK felt at that moment based on a 1/18 of a second frame capture.

If z133 is not the end of THAT wave then it is the end of yet another wave that started and ended in a few frames. I do not see how the rest of JFK's movements work with Bob's conclusion

DJ

In the Towner film you can clearly see Kennedy clench his fist. Then 7 excised frames later you can clearly see Kennedy has shifted his position and is the process of returning to his original position. Interpret this behavior any way you like, but it is there. It is not however present on any part of the Z film prior to his being hit initially. So this must have happened at some point prior to the beginning of the Z film. What makes you think the frame from the Towner film showing his fist clenching, corresponds to Z133?

I don't believe I ever say that Gordon... in fact I go on to say that if it is NOT the end of the Towner wave, it's the end of yet another wave BEFORE yet another one at z170.

"If z133 is not the end of THAT wave then it is the end of yet another wave that started and ended in a few frames."

We can both agree that at z133-z140 JFK is indeed lowering his hand from waving.... this can either be the Towner wave (if you can line it up with the TSBD) or a subsequent, very quick one...
Whether JFK is experiencing pain or not - is NOT something I believe one can tell from a frame of a movie. If he was hit he certainly does not give any impression he was before going behind the sign as he turns from side to side and continues to wave... and what appears to me as smiling. (I started a z175-207 gif, but all you need do is look at the stabilized version of the Zfilm.

I do think though that something occurs at 157 that is removed from the film. We can see JFK's head turn much too fast for reality or VERY quckly in response to the shot that I think occurs THEN, and not at the corner.

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and here is his hand wave... the last frame is AFTER the splice. I think it important to put this wave in context... there is one if not two more of these waves prior to z220... He can be seen brushing his hair and squinting his eyes through the motorcade as well as in other motorcades. Not a single corrobrating witness puts a shot occurring BEFORE the turn...


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Please look carefully at a163, 164, 165...

John Connally:We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately--the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt

Seems to me he is referring to this turn at z163, following the z157 shot, and does exactly as he testified to... he turns right to the crowd then more right to see JFK... then begins his turn back to the left... from the gif above we see that JC had not started to turn like JFK has by 158... or just following the damaged frame.

Cheers
DJ

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