05-08-2013, 09:15 PM
The Warren Commission (WC) claimed Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) was the sole killer of President John F. Kennedy (JFK) and presented some pieces of evidence in their Report to try and show this was correct. One of the pieces of evidence the WC, and its current day defenders, use is the fibers allegedly found on the butt plate of the alleged murder weapon that came from LHO's shirt. They said, and say, this shows he used the rifle on 11/22/63. Of course it doesn't prove that as he could have simply brought the rifle into the building and left it for someone else, but this is lost on them.
As we have seen in posts #8 and #11 LHO did NOT carry any package into the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) based on the evidence. We also saw in those posts that he did NOT make any bag from TSBD materials as the WC claimed either. The evidence also shows us the FBI claimed to have damaged the bag while testing it so a REPLICA was shown to witnesses instead of the alleged original bag allegedly found in the TSBD. I say allegedly as we have seen there was NO bag photographed in situ, no mention of a bag matching the description given to us by the WC by any cop and no mention of a bag on an inventory log of evidence. The bag seems to have been invisible and all we got was a DOTTED LINE from the WC showing us where it was supposedly found.
We also saw in #18 that neither of the two people who claimed to see the bag/package (Wes Frazier and Linnie Mae Randle) described it in terms of the way the WC did. They both described a bag TOO SMALL to carry a rifle the size of the Mannlicher-Carcano in iteven broken down in half!
Finally, in post #96 we saw the six cops that the WC defenders claimed saw the bag did NOT really see the bag! None of them described a bag that matched what the WC claimed LHO used.
In post #7 of this series we looked at the shirt fiber issue and saw the FBI expert for the WC, Paul Stombaugh, could NOT say the fibers found on the butt of the alleged murder weapon matched LHO's shirt to the exclusion of all other similar shirts. Thus, even if LHO was wearing the shirt he was arrested in this proved nothing, but alas, there is evidence showing he did what he claimed he didchanged shirts at his rooming house.
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The first indication of this change is from LHO, via a FBI report dated November 25, 1963, which the WC would mark as Commission Exhibit (CE) 1988. On page 19 of this report we see the following statement:
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He stated that after arriving at his apartment, he CHANGED his shirt and trousers because they were dirty. He described his dirty clothes as being a reddish colored, long sleeved, shirt with a button-down collar and gray colored trousers. (Emphasis added)
http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc..._0019a.htm
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LHO said he changed his shirt when he got to his apartment. We can find some corroboration for this in the testimony of Dallas Police Officer Marrion Baker. He would say this about the shirt he saw when he confronted LHO in the TSBD.
Mr. BELIN - Did you notice what clothes the man was wearing as he came up to you?
Mr. BAKER - At that particular time I was looking at his face, and it seemed to me like he had a light brown jacket on and maybe some kind of white-looking shirt.
Anyway, as I noticed him walking away from me, it was kind of dim in there that particular day, and it was hanging out to his side.
Mr. BELIN - Handing you what has been marked as Commission Exhibit 150, would this appear to be anything that you have ever seen before?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; I believe that is the shirt that he had on when he came. I wouldn't be sure of that. It seemed to me like that other shirt was a little bit darker than that whenever I saw him in the homicide office there.
Here Baker is saying the shirt he saw LHO in at the TSBD was a "little bit darker" than the one he would see LHO in at the police station after he was arrested. The WC would continue to try and show he saw CE-150 (brown shirt) on LHO as this was the shirt he was wearing when he was arrested.
Mr. BELIN - What about when you saw him in the School Book Depository Building, does this look familiar as anything he was wearing, if you know?
Mr. BAKER - I couldn't say whether that was--it seemed to me it was a light-colored brown but I couldn't say it was that or not.
Mr. DULLES - Lighter brown did you say, I am just asking what you said. I couldn't quite hear.
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; all I can remember it was in my recollection of it it was a light brown jacket.
Mr. BELIN - Are you referring to this Exhibit 150 as being similar to the jacket or similar to the shirt that you saw or, if not, similar to either one?
Mr. BAKER - Well, it would be similar in color to it--I assume it was a jacket, it was hanging out. Now, I was looking at his face and I wasn't really paying any attention. After Mr. Truly said he knew him, so I didn't pay any attention to him, so I just turned and went on.
Mr. BELIN - Now, you did see him later at the police station, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Was he wearing anything that looked like Exhibit 150 at the police station?
Mr. BAKER - He did have a brown-type shirt on that was out.
Mr. BELIN - Did it appear to be similar to any clothing you had seen when you saw him at the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. BAKER - I could have mistaken it for a jacket, but to my recollection it was a little colored jacket, that is all I can say.
It is clear to me this was NOT the same shirt LHO was arrested in (CE-150) as otherwise Baker would have agreed with the WC's obvious intentions. Don't forget, the police testify FOR the prosecution and the WC was the prosecution in this case, but we see he refused to ID CE-150 as the shirt LHO was wearing when he confronted him in the TSBD. This at the very least gives support to LHO's claim of changing shirts. Also, keep in mind this fact, the DPD was NOT sharing their evidence with LHO so he had NO way of knowing the DPD would claim to find shirt fibers on the butt plate of the alleged murder weapon, thus, LHO had NO reason to lie about the simple act of changing shirts. In other words, why would LHO lie about this and make it up IF he did NOT do it?
The logical thing for the WC to do would have been to ask Roy Truly about the shirt he saw since he was with Baker, but they WC never did this! Why?
Based on this evidence and what Paul Stombaugh testified to:
Mr. STOMBAUGH. There is just no way at this time to be able to positively state that a particular small group of fibers came from a particular source, because there just aren't enough microscopic characteristics present in these fibers.
We cannot say, "Yes, these fibers came from this shirt to the exclusion of all other shirts."
…there is NO way to doubt LHO and call him a liar for his statement of changing shirts. This means the following, the Dallas Police Department (DPD) claimed to find fibers from a shirt LHO was NOT wearing at the time of the assassination on the butt plate of the rifle. How did this happen?
I think we see yet again the evidence in the twenty-six volumes sink the WC's conclusion.
As we have seen in posts #8 and #11 LHO did NOT carry any package into the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) based on the evidence. We also saw in those posts that he did NOT make any bag from TSBD materials as the WC claimed either. The evidence also shows us the FBI claimed to have damaged the bag while testing it so a REPLICA was shown to witnesses instead of the alleged original bag allegedly found in the TSBD. I say allegedly as we have seen there was NO bag photographed in situ, no mention of a bag matching the description given to us by the WC by any cop and no mention of a bag on an inventory log of evidence. The bag seems to have been invisible and all we got was a DOTTED LINE from the WC showing us where it was supposedly found.
We also saw in #18 that neither of the two people who claimed to see the bag/package (Wes Frazier and Linnie Mae Randle) described it in terms of the way the WC did. They both described a bag TOO SMALL to carry a rifle the size of the Mannlicher-Carcano in iteven broken down in half!
Finally, in post #96 we saw the six cops that the WC defenders claimed saw the bag did NOT really see the bag! None of them described a bag that matched what the WC claimed LHO used.
In post #7 of this series we looked at the shirt fiber issue and saw the FBI expert for the WC, Paul Stombaugh, could NOT say the fibers found on the butt of the alleged murder weapon matched LHO's shirt to the exclusion of all other similar shirts. Thus, even if LHO was wearing the shirt he was arrested in this proved nothing, but alas, there is evidence showing he did what he claimed he didchanged shirts at his rooming house.
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The first indication of this change is from LHO, via a FBI report dated November 25, 1963, which the WC would mark as Commission Exhibit (CE) 1988. On page 19 of this report we see the following statement:
Quote on
He stated that after arriving at his apartment, he CHANGED his shirt and trousers because they were dirty. He described his dirty clothes as being a reddish colored, long sleeved, shirt with a button-down collar and gray colored trousers. (Emphasis added)
http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc..._0019a.htm
Quote off
LHO said he changed his shirt when he got to his apartment. We can find some corroboration for this in the testimony of Dallas Police Officer Marrion Baker. He would say this about the shirt he saw when he confronted LHO in the TSBD.
Mr. BELIN - Did you notice what clothes the man was wearing as he came up to you?
Mr. BAKER - At that particular time I was looking at his face, and it seemed to me like he had a light brown jacket on and maybe some kind of white-looking shirt.
Anyway, as I noticed him walking away from me, it was kind of dim in there that particular day, and it was hanging out to his side.
Mr. BELIN - Handing you what has been marked as Commission Exhibit 150, would this appear to be anything that you have ever seen before?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; I believe that is the shirt that he had on when he came. I wouldn't be sure of that. It seemed to me like that other shirt was a little bit darker than that whenever I saw him in the homicide office there.
Here Baker is saying the shirt he saw LHO in at the TSBD was a "little bit darker" than the one he would see LHO in at the police station after he was arrested. The WC would continue to try and show he saw CE-150 (brown shirt) on LHO as this was the shirt he was wearing when he was arrested.
Mr. BELIN - What about when you saw him in the School Book Depository Building, does this look familiar as anything he was wearing, if you know?
Mr. BAKER - I couldn't say whether that was--it seemed to me it was a light-colored brown but I couldn't say it was that or not.
Mr. DULLES - Lighter brown did you say, I am just asking what you said. I couldn't quite hear.
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; all I can remember it was in my recollection of it it was a light brown jacket.
Mr. BELIN - Are you referring to this Exhibit 150 as being similar to the jacket or similar to the shirt that you saw or, if not, similar to either one?
Mr. BAKER - Well, it would be similar in color to it--I assume it was a jacket, it was hanging out. Now, I was looking at his face and I wasn't really paying any attention. After Mr. Truly said he knew him, so I didn't pay any attention to him, so I just turned and went on.
Mr. BELIN - Now, you did see him later at the police station, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Was he wearing anything that looked like Exhibit 150 at the police station?
Mr. BAKER - He did have a brown-type shirt on that was out.
Mr. BELIN - Did it appear to be similar to any clothing you had seen when you saw him at the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. BAKER - I could have mistaken it for a jacket, but to my recollection it was a little colored jacket, that is all I can say.
It is clear to me this was NOT the same shirt LHO was arrested in (CE-150) as otherwise Baker would have agreed with the WC's obvious intentions. Don't forget, the police testify FOR the prosecution and the WC was the prosecution in this case, but we see he refused to ID CE-150 as the shirt LHO was wearing when he confronted him in the TSBD. This at the very least gives support to LHO's claim of changing shirts. Also, keep in mind this fact, the DPD was NOT sharing their evidence with LHO so he had NO way of knowing the DPD would claim to find shirt fibers on the butt plate of the alleged murder weapon, thus, LHO had NO reason to lie about the simple act of changing shirts. In other words, why would LHO lie about this and make it up IF he did NOT do it?
The logical thing for the WC to do would have been to ask Roy Truly about the shirt he saw since he was with Baker, but they WC never did this! Why?
Based on this evidence and what Paul Stombaugh testified to:
Mr. STOMBAUGH. There is just no way at this time to be able to positively state that a particular small group of fibers came from a particular source, because there just aren't enough microscopic characteristics present in these fibers.
We cannot say, "Yes, these fibers came from this shirt to the exclusion of all other shirts."
…there is NO way to doubt LHO and call him a liar for his statement of changing shirts. This means the following, the Dallas Police Department (DPD) claimed to find fibers from a shirt LHO was NOT wearing at the time of the assassination on the butt plate of the rifle. How did this happen?
I think we see yet again the evidence in the twenty-six volumes sink the WC's conclusion.