03-12-2013, 12:53 AM
David... O'Donnell also tells us he sees them place JFK into the casket and THEN all this begins... the most telltale sign for alteration prior to the arrival in DC is the throat wound... the trach that goes from self-closing to 3 times as large with ripped edges.... O'Connor tells us the trach wound he saw was 2"x1" (5cm x 2.5cm) which seems to be right in between both sizes.
As Anita wrote - it was the Justice of the Peace who created the orders for an autopsy in Texas... or in the case of TIPPIT, Judge Joe Brown Jr. (was he the judge Kellerman refers to below?)
and in less than one hour he did just that in the case of Oswald.. ( a P. McBride - talk about a coincidence!)
[ATTACH=CONFIG]5504[/ATTACH]
In the case of TIPPIT... it is well over 2 hours before he is moved from Methodist to Parkland for ROSE to perform his autopsy.
There is no mention of McBride signing a document like the one above for Tippit...
Mr. KELLERMAN. This I can't truly answer. However, I should say that, as for the casket being brought into the hospital, another gentleman came into this little doctor's room, his name I don't recall, but he represented himself to be from the Health Department or commission, some form. He said to me, he said, "There has been a homicide here, you won't be able to remove the body. We will have to take it down there to the mortuary and have an autopsy." I said, "No, we are not." And he said, "We have a law here whereby you have to comply with it."
With that Dr. Burkley walked in, and I said Doctor, this man is from some health unit in town. He tells me we can't remove this body." The Doctor became a little enraged; he said, "We are removing it." He said, "This is the President of the United States and there should be some consideration in an event like this." And I told this gentleman, I said, "You are going to have to come up with something a little stronger than you to give me the law that this body can't be removed."
So, he frantically called everybody he could think of and he hasn't got an answer; nobody is home. Shortly he leaves this little room and it seems like a few minutes he is back and he has another gentleman with him, and he said, "This is"--the name escapes me he said, "He i[B]s a judge here in Dallas," and he said, "He will tell you whether you can remove this body or not." [/B]I said, "It doesn't make any difference. We are going to move it," and I said, "Judge, do you know who I am?"
And he said, "Yes," and I said, "There must be something in your thinking here that we don't have to go through this agony; the family doesn't have to go through this. We will[B] take care of the matter when we get back to Washington." [/B]The poor man looked at me and he said, "I know who you are," and he said, "I can't help you out." I said. "All right, sir." But then I happened to look to the right and I can see the casket coming on rollers, and I just left the room and let it out through the emergency entrance and we got to the ambulance and put it in, shut the door after Mrs. Kennedy and General McHugh and Clinton Hill in the rear part of this ambulance.
I am looking around for Mr. Greer and I don't spot him directly because I want to get out of here in a hurry, and I recognize Agent Berger and I said, "Berger, you get in the front seat and drive and, Mr. Stout, you get in the middle and I will get on this side," and as we are leaving--Mr. Lawson, I should say, was in a police car that led us away from Parkland Memorial Hospital. As we are leaving a gentleman taps on the driver's window and they roll it down and he says, "I will meet you at the mortuary." "Yes, sir." We went to the airport, gentlemen.
And a bit more info about what O'Donnell said:
I talked to Dr. Burkley, and had him suggest to them that they could have a
doctor come with us, he could accompany the body at all times, and that we would
bring him immediately to the Naval Hospital, and that they could perform
whatever necessary chores, and there would be no separation physically from the
hospital and the performance of their autopsy.
They refused to consider this.
As Anita wrote - it was the Justice of the Peace who created the orders for an autopsy in Texas... or in the case of TIPPIT, Judge Joe Brown Jr. (was he the judge Kellerman refers to below?)
and in less than one hour he did just that in the case of Oswald.. ( a P. McBride - talk about a coincidence!)
[ATTACH=CONFIG]5504[/ATTACH]
In the case of TIPPIT... it is well over 2 hours before he is moved from Methodist to Parkland for ROSE to perform his autopsy.
There is no mention of McBride signing a document like the one above for Tippit...
Mr. KELLERMAN. This I can't truly answer. However, I should say that, as for the casket being brought into the hospital, another gentleman came into this little doctor's room, his name I don't recall, but he represented himself to be from the Health Department or commission, some form. He said to me, he said, "There has been a homicide here, you won't be able to remove the body. We will have to take it down there to the mortuary and have an autopsy." I said, "No, we are not." And he said, "We have a law here whereby you have to comply with it."
With that Dr. Burkley walked in, and I said Doctor, this man is from some health unit in town. He tells me we can't remove this body." The Doctor became a little enraged; he said, "We are removing it." He said, "This is the President of the United States and there should be some consideration in an event like this." And I told this gentleman, I said, "You are going to have to come up with something a little stronger than you to give me the law that this body can't be removed."
So, he frantically called everybody he could think of and he hasn't got an answer; nobody is home. Shortly he leaves this little room and it seems like a few minutes he is back and he has another gentleman with him, and he said, "This is"--the name escapes me he said, "He i[B]s a judge here in Dallas," and he said, "He will tell you whether you can remove this body or not." [/B]I said, "It doesn't make any difference. We are going to move it," and I said, "Judge, do you know who I am?"
And he said, "Yes," and I said, "There must be something in your thinking here that we don't have to go through this agony; the family doesn't have to go through this. We will[B] take care of the matter when we get back to Washington." [/B]The poor man looked at me and he said, "I know who you are," and he said, "I can't help you out." I said. "All right, sir." But then I happened to look to the right and I can see the casket coming on rollers, and I just left the room and let it out through the emergency entrance and we got to the ambulance and put it in, shut the door after Mrs. Kennedy and General McHugh and Clinton Hill in the rear part of this ambulance.
I am looking around for Mr. Greer and I don't spot him directly because I want to get out of here in a hurry, and I recognize Agent Berger and I said, "Berger, you get in the front seat and drive and, Mr. Stout, you get in the middle and I will get on this side," and as we are leaving--Mr. Lawson, I should say, was in a police car that led us away from Parkland Memorial Hospital. As we are leaving a gentleman taps on the driver's window and they roll it down and he says, "I will meet you at the mortuary." "Yes, sir." We went to the airport, gentlemen.
And a bit more info about what O'Donnell said:
I talked to Dr. Burkley, and had him suggest to them that they could have a
doctor come with us, he could accompany the body at all times, and that we would
bring him immediately to the Naval Hospital, and that they could perform
whatever necessary chores, and there would be no separation physically from the
hospital and the performance of their autopsy.
They refused to consider this.
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter