New COMMANDER W.B.PITZER PAGE WITH FULL FBI FILE

[Seamus Coogan]

Albert can go toe to toe with himself.

No matter how many times you point something out to him Dave he just doesn't get it. It also goes into irrelevancy... as you noted his now ramping on about Hendrix when I only bought it up as an example. Thank you for calling him out on that mate. I like Albert; nonetheless, I do not want to waste my time. Hence, I shall stay away.

However, I do have a question for you Dave. Why is it so important to prove a murder in the case of Pitzer? I can understand for reasons of justice. Nonetheless, I fear this sort of debate proves basically jack. You may feel differently of course. The reason I ask is after living through the horror that was Ralph Cinque and the "Oswald Ignorance Project." I get a little unsettled at folk championing an element like say Mary Meyer or Pitzer as proof of a conspiracy to kill JFK. I can understand Marty disagreeing, I can understand you saying it was a murder. However, I can't see either of you changing each others minds lol.

[Tracy Riddle]

I'm an agnostic about Pitzer's death, though I find the story told by Dan Marvin to be completely unbelievable. They're really going to have an assassination class soon after 11/22/63 where they tell the students at Ft. Bragg where the shooters were located, and some guy says during a coffee break, "Things really did go well in Dealey Plaza, didn't it?" If you believe that, I have beachfront property in Afghanistan to sell you.

[Magda Hassan]

Actually I can totally believe that bit. They talk about war games and ambushes like it is a game all the time.

[David Josephs]

Albert can go toe to toe with himself.

No matter how many times you point something out to him Dave he just doesn't get it. It also goes into irrelevancy... as you noted his now ramping on about Hendrix when I only bought it up as an example. Thank you for calling him out on that mate. I like Albert; nonetheless, I do not want to waste my time. Hence, I shall stay away.

However, I do have a question for you Dave. Why is it so important to prove a murder in the case of Pitzer? I can understand for reasons of justice. Nonetheless, I fear this sort of debate proves basically jack. You may feel differently of course. The reason I ask is after living through the horror that was Ralph Cinque and the "Oswald Ignorance Project." I get a little unsettled at folk championing an element like say Mary Meyer or Pitzer as proof of a conspiracy to kill JFK. I can understand Marty disagreeing, I can understand you saying it was a murder. However, I can't see either of you changing each others minds lol.

Hope you stuck around for the reply... :-)

The issue is not MURDER v SUICIDE Seamus... but why is so much of the situation covered up and conflicting? How can we have photos showing powder and burn marks 30 years later yet at the time the complete opposite is not only found but documented...

I happen to believe the assassination was more ONI than CIA... Bethesda remains at the heart of the cover-up... just ask any of the men who took until 1996 to open their mouths.
EVERYTHING of material consequence happened there... and Pitzer may have filmed it. I think that makes the topic pretty important.

Changing minds is not a "oh THAT'S what you mean" kinda of thing. These beliefs are deep rooted thru years of analysis and are not easily swayed.
I also tend to post on these forums with the understanding that not everyone knows everything about it like most of us do... that TWO SIDES OF THE STORY are required to help determine whether ONE is correct.

and Source materials be offered so others can make up their own minds... these threads come up on GOOGLE searches all the time... a fair presentation of the evidence is really at the bottom of it all....
God forbid everyone gets their JFK info at DVP's website or McAdams....

just doing my part. btw, I am working on something that might be good for CTKA... we can talk privately

Cheers
DJ

(that OIP disaster was doomed from second one... and I took Fetzer to task about his voodoo mathematics... one would have thought a math professor at his college could have helped out...)

[Seamus Coogan]

Lol, I like the last line mate. I think its cool people are into Pitzer, and hell I actually do find the topic really interesting. Just in the scheme of things it's not like say the Tippit shooting. Now that is some really interesting stuff.

[Seamus Coogan]

Albert can go toe to toe with himself.

No matter how many times you point something out to him Dave he just doesn't get it. It also goes into irrelevancy... as you noted his now ramping on about Hendrix when I only bought it up as an example. Thank you for calling him out on that mate. I like Albert; nonetheless, I do not want to waste my time. Hence, I shall stay away.

However, I do have a question for you Dave. Why is it so important to prove a murder in the case of Pitzer? I can understand for reasons of justice. Nonetheless, I fear this sort of debate proves basically jack. You may feel differently of course. The reason I ask is after living through the horror that was Ralph Cinque and the "Oswald Ignorance Project." I get a little unsettled at folk championing an element like say Mary Meyer or Pitzer as proof of a conspiracy to kill JFK. I can understand Marty disagreeing, I can understand you saying it was a murder. However, I can't see either of you changing each others minds lol.

Hope you stuck around for the reply... :-)

The issue is not MURDER v SUICIDE Seamus... but why is so much of the situation covered up and conflicting? How can we have photos showing powder and burn marks 30 years later yet at the time the complete opposite is not only found but documented...

I happen to believe the assassination was more ONI than CIA... Bethesda remains at the heart of the cover-up... just ask any of the men who took until 1996 to open their mouths.
EVERYTHING of material consequence happened there... and Pitzer may have filmed it. I think that makes the topic pretty important.

Changing minds is not a "oh THAT'S what you mean" kinda of thing. These beliefs are deep rooted thru years of analysis and are not easily swayed.
I also tend to post on these forums with the understanding that not everyone knows everything about it like most of us do... that TWO SIDES OF THE STORY are required to help determine whether ONE is correct.

and Source materials be offered so others can make up their own minds... these threads come up on GOOGLE searches all the time... a fair presentation of the evidence is really at the bottom of it all....
God forbid everyone gets their JFK info at DVP's website or McAdams....

just doing my part. btw, I am working on something that might be good for CTKA... we can talk privately

Cheers
DJ

(that OIP disaster was doomed from second one... and I took Fetzer to task about his voodoo mathematics... one would have thought a math professor at his college could have helped out...)

ONI more than CIA? Hmmmm interested for sure.

[Martin Hay]

Are you suggesting it is not possible what was offered as EVIDENCE of Pitzer, wasn't Pitzer at all?

How many times in this and related cases is the evidence different when finally re-reviewed, than at the time the evidence was created?

The PICTURES say one thing, while those that actually worked on the body tells another.

If you asked Perry, McClellend or Crenshaw to tell you what the WCR medical evidence says wouldn't it conflict with what they saw that night?...

and yet 30+ years later the analysis of photos trumps the autopsy reports...

Martin - why are you shying away from MacD's 4 points? They were the crux of your proof initially... and when I show you how these 4 points are not only easily produced without suicide but contradicts the original reports, you revert back to the 30 year old photos and current analysis. ??

Finally, was stating the obvious - a suicided person would be set up to look like suicide - just that... too obvious for you to even comment?

What good would forging the Mona Lisa be if you used crayons?
When found with 5 bolt action shots to the body, Marshall's death was STILL ruled suicide...
And then we have Dan Marvin... red-herring?

I'm ready to move on to other things as well Martin... another "suicide" in this case is simply par for the course.
Believe what you will... how many times are you willing to say our USG told the truth about what happens in their midst, when that truth would be detrimental to their credibility? How many lies have been discovered in this case alone, let alone the other tens of thousands of cases where the Military and FBI are involved.

Contrary to what most may think, I do not find demons behind every action... yet do you care to list anything from our USG that was exactly as it appears?

DJ

David,

I do not understand this post. I cannot see how it relates to what I wrote at all.

What you're suggesting now is that the autopsy photos are essentially "fakes" because they don't show what you want them to show.

How convenient.

And yet I showed you that the deputy county medical examiner observed muzzle marks and powder burns around the wound and, in fact, the autopsy report notes "black granular material" around the margins of the wound. I also explained that the report was deficient because the doctors who performed it were not forensic pathologists.

But you ignored every word of it.

And I don't understand that at all.

[David Josephs]

Martin...

After speaking with Allan these past few days and reviewing the source documentation offered... there still remains a huge difference betwen what the autopsists saw and what was seen hours, days, years later...

Too many of the "facts" needed to determine what happened are entirely ambiguous...

Whenever a story CHANGES over time to the benefit of those offering the changes... I am skeptical, and will always be.

Allan feels DDD was truthful.
What exactly happened between 6:30 and 8pm in that morgue is as hotly debated as the SBT, yet in the end we still conclude that what we are told was not possible.

Moving on to bigger and better things...

Peace
DJ