04-12-2013, 08:46 PM
Martin Hay Wrote:David Josephs Wrote:So given we have an AT THE TIME OF DEATH conclusion compared to an old man looking at old photos with a vested interest in supporting the "suicide" conclusion...
What on earth makes you say MacDonnell had a "vested interest" in this case one way or the other? FYI MacDonnell was the expert who testified on behalf of James Earl Ray's defense at his 1974 Habeas Corpus hearing and strongly criticised the official case.
David Josephs Wrote:are the various pieces of circumstantial evidence starting to make you at least question the suicide conclusion?
y'know, just asking... :-)
Cheers
DJ
Afraid not, David. I'm as certain that there was no pre-autopsy alteration as I am that the sun will rise tomorrow. So Pitzer couldn't have had any secret film and Dennis David must be wrong.
I wil have to revisit why I posted that Martin... I remember having a distinct impression about MacD at the time... for now I will redact that comment until I find what made me feel that way...
Yet Martin, you do not address what I wrote: These FOUR ITEMS that suggest suicide are really not that indicative of suicide at all and can just as easily be accomplished via murder
while the most important remains the conflict between the 40 years later review of the info and the autopsy results at the time...
Can you take a minute and address these critical FOUR POINTS. especially #2... thanks.
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With regards to no pre-autopsy alteration.... we talking Pitzer or JFK?
If JFK then we will have to either continue an existing thread or start a new one.... That's a discussion I'd like to have with you.
If Pitzer started the CCTV at 6:45, when he THOUGHT the autopsy was starting... and xfers it to 16mm and shows DD from which he gives his statements and produces the drawings I posted
how does pre-autopsy surgery have ANYTHING to do with when Pitzer turned the CCTV camera on?
Let's take a step back a second Martin... whose xrays were being developed as Jackie and Bobby entered the hospital? Who did Kellerman go see in the morgue at 7pm?
Who was in the casket Greer, Kellerman, Sibert and O'Neill take in at 7:17?
Was there a metal casket at 6:35 delivered via helicopter and black hearse?
Have you read the BE description of the head - the medical description? - at the 8pm showing? and how do you reconcile that with "life saving procedures" at Parkland when at 8pm his entire skull falls apart in their hands?
Copy and past these into a new thread if you like... or since Pitzer's movie would only be damaging if it showing these alterations... we can keep it all here...
One more point on CCTV: With CCTV in review by the military since 1953 and VIDEO TAPE RECORDERS for use with STUDENTS, one would assume that the military had VIDEO CAPABILITIES for their military use well before allowing it to be used on students - that there may have been video recording going on at DP that day is really not so far fetched.
The Television Division was established at the MFSS on 15 December 1966. Closed circuit television as an instructional medium had been evaluated at the School since 1953. After a study of closed circuit techniques from 23 February to 23 May 1963 by the U.S. Army Signal Corps Mobile Television Unit, the Office of the Surgeon General approved a permanent television system in 1966 and allocated $750,000 for the procurement and installation of a permanent closed circuit system for the School. A separate building was erected to accommodate the closed circuit instructional facility, along with four additional classroom buildings, along Patch Road.
[size=12](Annual Historical Report, MFSS, CY 1966, p ii)
[/SIZE]Four video tape recorders were authorized for use by the Personnel Management Branch to improve oral communications for students in the Army Medical Service Officer Advanced Course and Hospital Administration Course. The recorders had instant playback capabilities to enable students to self-critique their performances.
[size=12](Annual Historical Report, MFSS, CY 1966, p 25)
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