Detailed discussion and analysis of the H&L evidence

[Jim Hargrove]

I'll be away for a few days, but can quickly address this before I go since it's the only post that is actually on subject:

So, you make a dramatic debut on this website, start a fight, and then announce you'll "be away for a few days." That's WEIRD!

Here is what I said about it at my forum a little while back:

The Hoover Memo has been taken way out of context. There is background to this which apparently Armstrong is unaware of, or would rather his readers did not know about. Marguerite had sent 3 letters to Lee. Those letters got returned unopened. Marguerite wrote to State. She then got interviewed by SA John Fain. The New York Field office then summarized Fain's report and sent it to HQ. In that summary, they advised of the returned mail and opined that Oswald may in fact be elsewhere in Europe (Albert Schweitzer College) and that since he had taken his Birth Certificate, there is a possibility it was stolen and is being used by another in the Soviet Union.

So there it is - there was never any evidence the birth certificate was stolen or that anyone else was using it... it was all looking at worst case scenarios based on the returned mail. By the time Hoover wrote his memo to state "the Chinese Whispers-like effect had kicked in... what was no more than a vague thought was transformed into a major possibility.

Guess that settles that! Except for what REALLY happened. From Harvey and Lee, pages 294-295:

When "Marguerite" met with Fain she told him that she was employed by the

Methodist Orphans Home, located at 1111 Herring Avenue in Waco, under the name

Mrs. Edward Lee Oswald and explained that she was able to meet with him because

it was her day off. "Marguerite" allegedly told Fain that Lee Harvey Oswald had taken

his birth certificate with him when he left the country. According to Fain's memo,

"Marguerite" provided him with photographs of Lee Harvey Oswald-photographs that

have since disappeared.

NOTE: Following the assassination the FBI failed to contact or obtain any employment

information from the Methodist Orphans Home in Waco.

"Marguerite" also told Fain that she recently received a letter from the Albert

Schweitzer College indicating that her son was expected there on April 20.26 According

to "Marguerite," it was this letter that alerted her to the possibility that Lee Harvey

Oswald was attending ASC in Switzerland.

But Marguerite had known for 5 months that her "son" was in Russia and not attend-

ing school in Switzerland. When Oswald defected in October, 1959, Fort Worth newspa-

pers reported his defection after interviewing "Marguerite." With the assistance of a Fort

Worth reporter "Marguerite" contacted "her son" via telephone in his Moscow hotel

room. Both she and Robert received letters from Oswald, and on January 22nd she

purchased and sent a $25 foreign draft to him in Moscow. There is no doubt that "Marguer-

ite" knew Lee Harvey Oswald was in Russia. But why she told SA Fain that her son might be in

Switzerland remains unanswered.

On May 12 SA Fain sent a report of his interview with "Marguerite" to FBI

Headquarters in Washington, DC and wrote, "Since Oswald had his birth certificate in

his possession, another individual may have assumed his identity."27

On May 23 the Special Agent in Charge (SAC) of the FBI's New York office sent

an Airtel (air telegram) to FBI Director Hoover referencing Fain's report of 5/12/60. The

subject of the memo was "Funds transmitted to residents of Russia" and stated, "Since

Oswald had his birth certificate in his possession, another individual may have assumed

his identity."28

NOTE: When "Marguerite Oswald" testified before the Warren Commission in 1964 she

denied being interviewed by SA Fain or any FBI agent prior to the assassination. She

said, "I will state now emphatically that I have never been questioned by the FBI or the

Secret Service--never, gentlemen. "29 The FBI had interviewed "Marguerite" on April 28,

1960 (SA Fain), April 10 , 1961 (SA Fain) and October 13, 1961 (SA Jarrell Davis

in Vernon, TX.). 30 Without a doubt "Marguerite" lied to the Warren Commission, but

why?

Isn't the full story much better than the half-assed Parker version? I kind of started in the middle because I didn't want to make it too long, and I didn't bother with the footnotes either.

Let's take a closer look at Parker's post from the top:

The Hoover Memo has been taken way out of context. There is background to this which apparently Armstrong is unaware of, or would rather his readers did not know about.

Parker has underscored the fact that he is DEAD WRONG! Mr. Armstrong HAS provided more information about the background of the imposter memo than Parker has, AND PARKER IS COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF THAT FACT! PARKER APPARENTLY HAS NOT READ THE BOOK HE IS TRYING TO CRITICIZE!

Here is some space reserved for an apology from Parker to Mr. Armstrong:

(SPACE RESERVED FOR APOLOGY)

Marguerite had sent 3 letters to Lee. Those letters got returned unopened. Marguerite wrote to State. She then got interviewed by SA John Fain. The New York Field office then summarized Fain's report and sent it to HQ. In that summary, they advised of the returned mail and opined that Oswald may in fact be elsewhere in Europe (Albert Schweitzer College) and that since he had taken his Birth Certificate, there is a possibility it was stolen and is being used by another in the Soviet Union.

So, Parker's story is that poor, poor "Marguerite" had no idea where her "son" was, despite the fact that his "defection" to the Soviet Union had been front page news on her local newspaper, despite the fact that she had talked to her son by phone in Moscow, despite the fact that she had received mail from her "son" in Russia, and despite the fact that she sent money to him in Moscow.

Then Parker, pretending to inform us about things John Armstrong had already written about more than a decade earlier, tells us about the memos to FBI HQ written by SA Fain, but he fails to point out that "Marguerite" had testified under oath that she had never been questioned by the FBI or the Secret Service, AND NEITHER THE WARREN COMMISSION NOR THE FBI QUESTIONED HER ON THAT STATEMENT. And, of course, Parker didn't feel it was worth mentioning.

PARKER'S "BACKGROUND" STORY IS AS QUEER AS A 3 DOLLAR BILL, SOMETHING HE DIDN'T BOTHER TO TELL US. BUT JOHN ARMSTRONG DID!! AND PARKER DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT!

DJ, if you want the type of "debate" you're currently trying to make this, you'll get it when I get back. If you had an ounce of decency and any sort of ethic, you would of course, simply log on to my site and address your concerns there. Your pretending that this is all based on my OPINION is utter nonsense. If I have to copy and paste everything here, I'll do it. Along with addressing your utter vileness and cowardice towards people not here to defend themselves.

Oh, this is rich. "Cmon to my house, little boy, I'm going to give you candy. It's real good. I made it myself. And EVERYONE THERE LOVES YOU."

Jim

PS. Hey Parker, have you read Harvey and Lee? You sure don't seem to know much about it.