07-05-2014, 05:40 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-05-2014, 06:02 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
This is important enough to post the article in full......a very interesting development....but Saudi connections are not new. The government and its agencies are obviously dead set against telling what really happened and not the official fairytale. :
hock::
No doubt this Saudi 'family' was flown out of the USA at a time when all other person were grounded from flying.....move along...nothing to see here says the government......Ha!!
P.D.S. is a great researcher and his work on drug networks at high levels is important in understanding what intelligence agencies, governments and deep political structures do to get money, launder it and move it around. The same people are usually involved in arms sales and fomenting wars to sell more arms. While any trail that opens up new information and leads on 9-11 is important, the operation was simply to large to ever [IMHO] be tied to any one person, one group, one government.....many and varied entities participated before in the planning, during the event in its execution, and in the cover-up afterwards - which continues. As with the JFK Assassination and other deep political events, those who benefited from it do NOT want the true story to come out..for a variety of reasons.
Judge Zloch is brave to stand firm against the government stonewalling on any aspect of 9-11-01...I hope nothing happens to him.....
The four box 'shell game' the FBI is obviously playing is not what the Judge ordered. No doubt the last three to four boxes will be the least important or irrelevant....and if the Judge orders the turning over of most or all of the documents to the plaintiff they will likely have been substituted, substantially redacted, or somehow 'lost'......The Judge will be making a big mistake if he doesn't order the FBI to produce all of the boxes at the same time. One wonders how many other thousands of boxes of information must logically exist in various agencies on the events and people connected to 9-11!
More secret 9/11 documents identified, but FBI has yet to turn them over to judge
BY DAN CHRISTENSEN AND ANTHONY SUMMERS
Contradicting an earlier assertion made under oath by a senior FBI official, an attorney for the Justice Department said Wednesday that the FBI has identified four more boxes of "classified" 9/11 documents held by its Tampa field office.
The government, however, has yet to comply with a federal judge's orders Friday that it turn over copies of that massive9/11 file now said to total 27 boxes for his personal inspection.
U.S. District Judge William J. Zloch issued those orders in a Freedom of Information lawsuit brought by BrowardBulldog.org seeking records about the FBI's investigation into apparent pre-9/11 terrorist activity in Sarasota.
In an email to the news organization's attorney, Thomas Julin, Miami Assistant U.S. Attorney Dexter Lee said the government was prepared to file the documents with the court last Friday "as ordered." The Justice Department, however, determined that Zloch's chambers do not have a safe with "storage capability for classified documents."
"The plan at present is to deliver the safe [which can hold four boxes] on Thursday, May 1, 2014, along with the first four boxes of classified materials," Lee said. "When the court has completed its review of the four boxes, chambers will be contacted and I will deliver four more boxes, as well as retrieving the material already reviewed."
Lee said, too, that he will deliver to the court on Friday CD ROMs containing scanned versions of the classified documents.
POSSIBLE DELAYS
The government's piecemeal document delivery plan deviates substantially from Zloch's orders, which require the production of photocopies of the FBI's entire 9/11Tampa file all at once. If approved, it would delay the production of records to the judge for inspection by weeks or months.
The existence of four additional boxes of 9/11 records could add to any delay.
Lee's disclosure about the additional four boxes calls into question the accuracy of the sworn declaration submitted to the court two weeks ago by FBI records section chief David M. Hardy.
Hardy told the court that the entire Tampa 9/11 "sub file" was "comprised of 23 boxes of records" including "a substantial, but undetermined amount of material classified at the secret' level." Prosecutor Lee did not explain why the file is now said to be 27 boxes.
The FBI probe that is the focus of the Freedom of Information lawsuit focused on a Saudi family with tiesto the Royal Family and apparent connections to some of the 9/11 hijackers, including ringleader Mohamed Atta, and former Broward resident and currently suspected al Qaeda leader Adnan Shukrijumah.
The investigation began after neighbors in the upscale south Sarasota gated community of Prestancia called authorities to report that Abulaziz al-Hijji and his wife, Anoud, had suddenly moved out of their home two weeks before 9/11, leaving behind cars, furniture, clothing and food in the kitchen.
Sources have said agents later found gatehouse logs and photographs of license tags and phone records showing that Atta, Shukrijumah and others had visited the al-Hijji's home.
Al-Hijji, who later worked for the European subsidiary of the state oil company Saudi Aramco, told London's Daily Telegraph last year that he condemned the terror attacks and had no involvement in them. The FBI has said publicly that its Sarasota investigation found no evidence connecting the family to either the hijackers or the 9/11 plot.
The FBI, however, kept the investigation secret until BrowardBulldog.org first disclosed it in September 2011.
Former Florida Sen. Bob Graham, who co-chaired Congress' Joint Inquiry into the 9/11 attacks, has said that the FBI did not disclose the existence of the Sarasota investigation to either the Joint Inquiry or the subsequent 9/11 Commission.
The FOIA lawsuit was filed in September 2012 after the FBI denied administrative requests for the release of its records about the matter. In March 2013, the government unexpectedly released more than two-dozen heavily censored records that nevertheless undercut the bureau's previous public denials.
The documents state that the Sarasota Saudis had "many connections" to "individuals associated with the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001." One document lists three individuals, with names blacked out, and ties them to the Venice, Fla., flight school where suicide hijackers Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi trained.
Last week, the government provided 27 pages of classified documents to Judge Zloch that bear the blanked-out case number affixed to the April 16, 2002 FBI report disclosing the family's "many connections" to terrorists.
The judge's order directs the government to immediately produce any documents responsive to the news organization's Freedom of Information request. Attorney Julin has asked the government to say whether any of those 27 pages are responsive and nonexempt, and if so to make them public.
The prosecutor said he's working with the FBI to respond to Julin's inquiry.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/04/30/40...rylink=cpy
hock:: No doubt this Saudi 'family' was flown out of the USA at a time when all other person were grounded from flying.....move along...nothing to see here says the government......Ha!!
P.D.S. is a great researcher and his work on drug networks at high levels is important in understanding what intelligence agencies, governments and deep political structures do to get money, launder it and move it around. The same people are usually involved in arms sales and fomenting wars to sell more arms. While any trail that opens up new information and leads on 9-11 is important, the operation was simply to large to ever [IMHO] be tied to any one person, one group, one government.....many and varied entities participated before in the planning, during the event in its execution, and in the cover-up afterwards - which continues. As with the JFK Assassination and other deep political events, those who benefited from it do NOT want the true story to come out..for a variety of reasons.
Judge Zloch is brave to stand firm against the government stonewalling on any aspect of 9-11-01...I hope nothing happens to him.....
The four box 'shell game' the FBI is obviously playing is not what the Judge ordered. No doubt the last three to four boxes will be the least important or irrelevant....and if the Judge orders the turning over of most or all of the documents to the plaintiff they will likely have been substituted, substantially redacted, or somehow 'lost'......The Judge will be making a big mistake if he doesn't order the FBI to produce all of the boxes at the same time. One wonders how many other thousands of boxes of information must logically exist in various agencies on the events and people connected to 9-11!
More secret 9/11 documents identified, but FBI has yet to turn them over to judge
BY DAN CHRISTENSEN AND ANTHONY SUMMERS
Contradicting an earlier assertion made under oath by a senior FBI official, an attorney for the Justice Department said Wednesday that the FBI has identified four more boxes of "classified" 9/11 documents held by its Tampa field office.
The government, however, has yet to comply with a federal judge's orders Friday that it turn over copies of that massive9/11 file now said to total 27 boxes for his personal inspection.
U.S. District Judge William J. Zloch issued those orders in a Freedom of Information lawsuit brought by BrowardBulldog.org seeking records about the FBI's investigation into apparent pre-9/11 terrorist activity in Sarasota.
In an email to the news organization's attorney, Thomas Julin, Miami Assistant U.S. Attorney Dexter Lee said the government was prepared to file the documents with the court last Friday "as ordered." The Justice Department, however, determined that Zloch's chambers do not have a safe with "storage capability for classified documents."
"The plan at present is to deliver the safe [which can hold four boxes] on Thursday, May 1, 2014, along with the first four boxes of classified materials," Lee said. "When the court has completed its review of the four boxes, chambers will be contacted and I will deliver four more boxes, as well as retrieving the material already reviewed."
Lee said, too, that he will deliver to the court on Friday CD ROMs containing scanned versions of the classified documents.
POSSIBLE DELAYS
The government's piecemeal document delivery plan deviates substantially from Zloch's orders, which require the production of photocopies of the FBI's entire 9/11Tampa file all at once. If approved, it would delay the production of records to the judge for inspection by weeks or months.
The existence of four additional boxes of 9/11 records could add to any delay.
Lee's disclosure about the additional four boxes calls into question the accuracy of the sworn declaration submitted to the court two weeks ago by FBI records section chief David M. Hardy.
Hardy told the court that the entire Tampa 9/11 "sub file" was "comprised of 23 boxes of records" including "a substantial, but undetermined amount of material classified at the secret' level." Prosecutor Lee did not explain why the file is now said to be 27 boxes.
The FBI probe that is the focus of the Freedom of Information lawsuit focused on a Saudi family with tiesto the Royal Family and apparent connections to some of the 9/11 hijackers, including ringleader Mohamed Atta, and former Broward resident and currently suspected al Qaeda leader Adnan Shukrijumah.
The investigation began after neighbors in the upscale south Sarasota gated community of Prestancia called authorities to report that Abulaziz al-Hijji and his wife, Anoud, had suddenly moved out of their home two weeks before 9/11, leaving behind cars, furniture, clothing and food in the kitchen.
Sources have said agents later found gatehouse logs and photographs of license tags and phone records showing that Atta, Shukrijumah and others had visited the al-Hijji's home.
Al-Hijji, who later worked for the European subsidiary of the state oil company Saudi Aramco, told London's Daily Telegraph last year that he condemned the terror attacks and had no involvement in them. The FBI has said publicly that its Sarasota investigation found no evidence connecting the family to either the hijackers or the 9/11 plot.
The FBI, however, kept the investigation secret until BrowardBulldog.org first disclosed it in September 2011.
Former Florida Sen. Bob Graham, who co-chaired Congress' Joint Inquiry into the 9/11 attacks, has said that the FBI did not disclose the existence of the Sarasota investigation to either the Joint Inquiry or the subsequent 9/11 Commission.
The FOIA lawsuit was filed in September 2012 after the FBI denied administrative requests for the release of its records about the matter. In March 2013, the government unexpectedly released more than two-dozen heavily censored records that nevertheless undercut the bureau's previous public denials.
The documents state that the Sarasota Saudis had "many connections" to "individuals associated with the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001." One document lists three individuals, with names blacked out, and ties them to the Venice, Fla., flight school where suicide hijackers Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi trained.
Last week, the government provided 27 pages of classified documents to Judge Zloch that bear the blanked-out case number affixed to the April 16, 2002 FBI report disclosing the family's "many connections" to terrorists.
The judge's order directs the government to immediately produce any documents responsive to the news organization's Freedom of Information request. Attorney Julin has asked the government to say whether any of those 27 pages are responsive and nonexempt, and if so to make them public.
The prosecutor said he's working with the FBI to respond to Julin's inquiry.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/04/30/40...rylink=cpy
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
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