CD87 p92 - SS tells us the rifle Kleins shipped to Hidell was a 91(T)roop (S)pecial carbine

[David Josephs]

David:

You didn't mention the most important part of the Lipschultz invoice (according to JA and others): The weight. According to the FBI a Carcano 91/38 weighs 7 pounds 11 oz. A crate of 100 of them (in cardboard boxes) would weigh much more than 750 pounds (more than 818 lbs). The 36" inch Carcanos weighs between 6 and 7 lbs, and so 100 of them in thier cardboard boxes might weigh around 750 pounds.

A 36" gun is 90% the length of a 40" gun, so we might expect the weight to be 90% of the 91/38. (Probably with all the different stock designs its hard to be precise.) 818 lbs x .9 = 736 lbs.

Course we all know what happens when we trust the FBI...

Drew, please go back and take a look at my first post on page 1... https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...#post87120

there is so much that is wrong with the Klein's process it's almost amusing...

Yes, the weight of the shipment is very strange, yet if you remember the packing slip, carton #3376. If they only shipped 9 cartons, as 3376 - the carton with C2766, is the only one not checked off, could that account for the weight? I'm not claiming that's what happened, only offering a reasonable option. As I see it, the June order paperwork was used to give the impression the rifle was a 40" FC delivered in Feb rather than in June. Eitehr way, the point of the thread remains the same... the rifle ordered was an 1891 TS. No rifle was ever shipped to Hidell, nor ever picked up by or in the possession of Oswald.

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Pottsville, PA is 60 miles from Rupps shop.... and not where Rupp shipped from
The rate for the shipment changes from the original 76, total 570, to 527, total 3953.

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and finally from page 5 of this thread, the undated, unsigned Crescent shipping order... y'know, for the shipment of 100 rifles, you'd think the records would be just a little better....
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Drew, EVIDENCE is only worthwhile and proof of something if it can be authenticated... state of mind, or not. The evidence you offered to prove state of mind is all fraudulent and easily proven so.... Yes, lawyers and the court can present all sorts of evidence and make sure it is not challenged correctly....

Anomalous behavior after a criminal act is evidence of guilt, yes

as long as you can prove the criminal act occurred... when the person is framed for a crime and their actions are presented in the context of their guilt as opposed to in the context of their innocence until guilt is proven... we get Lee Harvey Oswald, patsy extraordinaire... he didn't say he was innocent, he said he was a Patsy... BIG difference.

Cheers
DJ

btw - why is it that you don't address Feldsott giving the FBI proof that C2766, part of the 100 rifle shipment in June 1962, included C2766, and there is not a shred of evidence to explain from which order a June shipment from Crescent to Kleins was initially ordered and processed by Rupp who only begins taking rifles from Harborside on Aug 29 1962 ??

If Kleins got a 40" FC rifle in June... do you not see that the FBI has us believe that the June order's packing slips are actually from Feb 1963... there is NOTHING to prove this - and APRIL 1962 order change with a shipment 10 months later to represent the June shipment Feldsott signs an affidavit about.... who from Kleins EVER testifies Drew?

It's not until HSCA do we hear from Westra, Scribor and the gunsmith Sharp (this is all in the notebooks at Baylor/Poage... which sadly, if one does not take the extra step to dig deeper, they will not find it in the book or CD... have you seen this notebook?

Research Papers of
John Armstrong
Collected for his book
Harvey & Lee
Box 18
Notebook 2
TAB 20: [Westra]
Scanned by
W . R. Poage Legislative Library
Baylor University Electronic Library
January 2011.