01-06-2014, 04:14 PM
The secret of "red bandages": new about Odessa tragedy May 2
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"ÐовороÑÑ.info" A - browser, "Duma" Sergey Dibrov tells about the work of the group "may 2, which conducts an independent investigation of the events that happened on that tragic day in Odessa, and the first results of its work.
Our working group, "the Commission may 2, was created on the initiative of Zoya Kazanzhi a few days after the tragedy. By that time it became obvious that the results of the official investigation, whatever they are, will not accept any part of citizens. In addition, the situation began to acquire many rumors and speculations, inadequate statements of officials, and clearly there is a need for objective and unbiased investigation.
When the phone rang, and Leonid Stekel announced the intention of the regional administration to create such a group, I put the condition that the Commission should enter the chief editor of the edition "Timer" Yuri Tkachev. And it's not the fact that the day before I had time to negotiate with the Jura that together we can recall the chronology of events and analyze massive amounts of video. Everything is much easier. The group consists mainly of people who do not hide their sympathies to the "Euromayday". The presence of their colleagues with opposing views, in my opinion, is required. First, it will allow to avoid suspicions and accusations of being biased and one-sided. Secondly, the Commission will need information from both sides, and only Tkachev could become a "bridge" to the supporters of the "Kulikovo field", which generally trust him more than me or Stokely.
At the first meeting of the group was proposed format of the Commission's work: journalistic investigation, which together leading journalists from different publications: Yuri Tkachev and Faith Zaporozhets ("Timer"), Sergey Dibrov ("Duma"), Valery Ivashkina ("Rollback") and Leonid Steckel (Odessa daily).
Journalists who are members of the group, indeed, have different views, but you know and respect each other and have experience in conducting their own investigations. We are limited by the framework of the legislation, we care about our reputation and are guided by ethical standards of journalism.
I want to pay tribute to Zoya Kazanzhi and the leadership of the region. The regional administration has helped to find qualified independent experts prepared on a voluntary basis to work hard in our group, and for the past three weeks more never interfered in the work of the Commission.
In General, the work of the Commission is very informal. In addition to journalists, us voluntarily are the two engineer who handle huge volumes of video information from the Internet and write, which share with us colleagues-journalists and bloggers. There are in the team toxicologist, a forensic chemist, an expert on firearms and explosives, consultant on informal youth communities. We also consult with specialists in other fields, particularly psychology and fire too. In General, the work of the group "may 2 coordinates journalist Tatyana Gerasimova.
It is expected that the conclusions of our Committee will be presented in the form of joint material, which will be signed by members of the group of journalists and which will be published in the most popular Internet-editions of the city. Naturally, in the course of the investigation we share the facts and information, turn to the readers, the event being discussed.
In General we try to conduct our work extremely open and publish much information. Moreover, it so happened that his most serious findings we have made in the presence of a kind of "witnesses". So, bullet holes in the glass and alleged firing point inside the House of trade unions we found and examined together with the correspondent of "Komsomolskaya Pravda" Nigina Bekoeva. Evidence activists of the organization "Kulikovo field" we listened to and analyzed together with the correspondent Bi-Bi-si" Tom Wawelem. A hole in the outer glass hall on the fourth floor of the building we studied simultaneously with the crew "Kiselevsky" TV channel "Russia", and with the relatives of the victims spoke in the presence of Romanian TV personalities.
As I said, the events of may 2, immediately began to acquire a lot of rumours and speculations. Began to appear absolutely incredible versions that were issued for the truth in the last instance. Unfortunately, this "stood out" all: and activists of the warring parties, journalists and high ranking officials. So the first days of work of our Committee were mainly dedicated to critical analysis and refutation of these rumors and speculation from the standpoint of common sense and our collected facts.
Another problem was the fact that the tragic events were actively used for the election campaign, to be exact - for General accusations of opponents and the PR on the tragedy. So we never stopped working, but with the tacit approval of colleagues took a pause and made no public statements before the elections.
We understand that the interest in our work is very large, and may 30, held a short press conference at which he shared some intermediate results. We also told where we direct our main efforts and, what information we need.
THE MYSTERY OF THE RED TAPE AT THE HANDS OF POLICE
One of the most controversial circumstances of the day 2 - may-dressing of red tape. They were in the hands of the activists of "Odessa squads", many of which are known to us by name, despite masks and Balaklava. The same bandages at seven o'clock in the evening my great surprise, noted at the hands of police officers that were sent from the Greek square towards the Kulikov field. This moment can be seen at around 5:00 video of my stream.
[video=youtube_share;R_KRLKo_diA]http://youtu.be/R_KRLKo_diA[/video]
Unregulated red bands on the hands of the police was superimposed on the events of may 4, and immediately gave rise to disturbing conspiracy version. Here is the "distinguished" the Russian television, which is one of the plots had forged subtitles. Finally got the impression that the police in the midst of the battle is not just acted together with activists of "Odessa squads", but also directly supervised by them.
The flames were fanned by the statement of one of the MP, which passed the information from one high-ranking official of the Prosecutor's office allegedly tape (wound near the wrist) was necessary to the police in order to hold Chevron (which is located just below the shoulder). Any sane person immediately recalled comic thumbnail about the bandage on his leg, which slipped from his head, and knew that the matter is unclean.
Given that suspicions were very serious, persistently explained all the circumstances connected with this red tape in the hands of the police. I talked to the police, who anonymously answered all my questions. Their responses formed the basis of the hypothesis. To confirm or deny it, I turned for help to the readers of "Duma", which also helped to shed light on the situation. I received invaluable assistance from their colleagues-journalists, who helped to put the final point in question. I double-checked the version on the four independent sources and today I can say confidently.
So, first the facts:
1. Red tape in the hands of the police came several hours after the start of street fighting is closer to 17 hours.
2. All photographs and video recordings of the red bars in the hands of the police are below the elbow - in contrast to the activists of "Odessa squads", which bandage are located above the elbow, with just one exception.
3. All photographs and video recordings strips of adhesive tape wound not on the sleeves and on the plastic shield that protects the hand and elbow.
4. Some policemen Scotch there is only one (right) hand, for some it is on two.
I could not find evidence that red tape was from the police officers above the elbow or just on the clothes.
So, ammunition employee PPP or a serviceman of the internal troops, in addition to the helmet, body armor and shield, includes protective shields-elbow pads worn on the forearm. Plate is mounted with two not very wide "Velcro", which grasping his hands across. While the panel is new, this mount reliably. However, with time, "Velcro" gradually becomes unfit for use, and as it turned out on may 2, lose flap in the confusion of battle - simple.
Activists of the "Odessa squads" had a number of people in uniform and equipment that is similar to the police, with red armbands above the elbow. If you look closely, you can see that they are without shoulder straps, they have no chevrons PPP or the Ministry of internal Affairs that behind them is a purely civil backpacks. Long (below the shoulders) the hair of one of them, clearly show that he is not a police officer. There are photos of these people are often misleading.
Initially, the staff of the regiment PPP, apparently, did not expect a fierce battle and did not bother to fix shields stronger. My colleague, the operator Dumshit", which in that day he was in the ranks of the police, has told, that somewhere at 17:00 overheard a conversation between two policemen. One, equipment PPP, built up on the arm of the red tape, which they found somewhere in Greek. The other, in everyday blue uniform, was asked why from it. Fighter explained that wants to put a shield, so as not to lose.
The situation began to dawn. Left open the question of why the tape was red and he was in Greek. In the end, transparent or, say, gray tape is much more popular and more accessible. The answer was found too. As is known, the activists of the Kulikov field, being surrounded by on the street Greek, actively called for the help of his friends and supporters. Among those who came to the rescue, there were two men - as it turned out, straykbolisty, my friends who earn the organization of corporate airsoft games. On that day they came in Greek with what was at hand. Immediately useful first aid kit, and next to it was a roll of red tape, which they usually mean the players. Then this tape they took Pesnicki, which by that time had already realized that the mounting plate provides reliability, and began to shake him up.
By the way, you can see the video from the airsoft "postrelushka", which was held by "Odessa squad":
[video=youtube_share;vyRlKwth7wg]http://youtu.be/vyRlKwth7wg[/video]
This video shows that "the terrorists" were at least familiar with the organizers airsoft games. In addition, at 0:45 you can see that in that game, the parties were designated bands of red and yellow tape. Do not be surprised, if on may, 2nd on the area of "arrived" the same roll that was used in the game.
The tape was not very much time, too. So Pesnicki during rearrangements and rotation hastily tied the hands of one or two turns. Who had time is fastened two flap who have not had the time is just right.
The question arises: why is such complexity, why the police simply didn't buy a roll of clear tape? The answer is obvious. Those who were on the square, you know that the activists Kulikovo Field and the policemen were in close encirclement, and all the shops in the surrounding streets were tightly closed, away from sin.
Finally, I spent a kind of investigatory experiment. A week ago, leaving the regional administration, I "accidentally" caught with the hand guard at the hands of the soldier of nazvanii, who was on duty on the ground floor of the building. To my surprise, the flap is very easily broke away, and the soldier that not even surprised and baasil that old "Velcro", overlapping, the load is not kept.
By the way, after the events of may 2, when the aggravation of the situation policemen were mounted shields in advance and my colleagues watched it repeatedly. In particular, on may 9, when it was expected provocations, attached with Scotch guard at the hand of the policeman recorded Konstantin SAC. And on may 26, when the hot heads somehow predicted a massive collision of two activists Maydanov, Scotch on the guards fighter of nazvanii near the municipal electoral Committee photographed Alexey Kravtsov, for which he also thank you very much.
Thus, today I have no doubts that red bands at the hands of the soldiers of the regiment of the patrol-guard service are not a crime and has not appeared there as a result of collusion or conspiracy. If someone from the reader there are facts or evidence to the contrary set forth version - I'll be glad to read them.
Of course, the story of red tape in the hands of the police, which I found out is a small and not the most important episode of the events of the second of may. We plan step by step to answer questions related to the disaster, to get more and more complete picture. The work of the "Commission on may 2," continues. At the press conference we announced the serious claims to the leadership of regional police, which, in the opinion of our experts, did not prepare adequately for the expected unrest. We have identified a time frame in which restored full chronology of events.
Also now we apply maximum efforts to clarify all circumstances of the fire in the House of trade unions. To establish the truth we need the stories of eyewitnesses who were inside the building. Understandably, these people are reluctant to speak. We are ready to listen to them anonymously and can (us law this law guarantees) to remain incognito our interlocutors. Please, tell us about what happened in the House, any member of the Commission of your choice. For the sake of peace and tranquillity in the town - please get in touch. We really need your input!
The Author - Sergey Dibrov
Video from the press conference from o1.ua. The story of Sergey Dibrova about red bands on their arms policemen from mark 16:20
[video=youtube_share;RftNmYoY3OQ]http://youtu.be/RftNmYoY3OQ[/video]
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Today, 17:32. Posted: pressa24
"ÐовороÑÑ.info" A - browser, "Duma" Sergey Dibrov tells about the work of the group "may 2, which conducts an independent investigation of the events that happened on that tragic day in Odessa, and the first results of its work.
Our working group, "the Commission may 2, was created on the initiative of Zoya Kazanzhi a few days after the tragedy. By that time it became obvious that the results of the official investigation, whatever they are, will not accept any part of citizens. In addition, the situation began to acquire many rumors and speculations, inadequate statements of officials, and clearly there is a need for objective and unbiased investigation.
When the phone rang, and Leonid Stekel announced the intention of the regional administration to create such a group, I put the condition that the Commission should enter the chief editor of the edition "Timer" Yuri Tkachev. And it's not the fact that the day before I had time to negotiate with the Jura that together we can recall the chronology of events and analyze massive amounts of video. Everything is much easier. The group consists mainly of people who do not hide their sympathies to the "Euromayday". The presence of their colleagues with opposing views, in my opinion, is required. First, it will allow to avoid suspicions and accusations of being biased and one-sided. Secondly, the Commission will need information from both sides, and only Tkachev could become a "bridge" to the supporters of the "Kulikovo field", which generally trust him more than me or Stokely.
At the first meeting of the group was proposed format of the Commission's work: journalistic investigation, which together leading journalists from different publications: Yuri Tkachev and Faith Zaporozhets ("Timer"), Sergey Dibrov ("Duma"), Valery Ivashkina ("Rollback") and Leonid Steckel (Odessa daily).
Journalists who are members of the group, indeed, have different views, but you know and respect each other and have experience in conducting their own investigations. We are limited by the framework of the legislation, we care about our reputation and are guided by ethical standards of journalism.
I want to pay tribute to Zoya Kazanzhi and the leadership of the region. The regional administration has helped to find qualified independent experts prepared on a voluntary basis to work hard in our group, and for the past three weeks more never interfered in the work of the Commission.
In General, the work of the Commission is very informal. In addition to journalists, us voluntarily are the two engineer who handle huge volumes of video information from the Internet and write, which share with us colleagues-journalists and bloggers. There are in the team toxicologist, a forensic chemist, an expert on firearms and explosives, consultant on informal youth communities. We also consult with specialists in other fields, particularly psychology and fire too. In General, the work of the group "may 2 coordinates journalist Tatyana Gerasimova.
It is expected that the conclusions of our Committee will be presented in the form of joint material, which will be signed by members of the group of journalists and which will be published in the most popular Internet-editions of the city. Naturally, in the course of the investigation we share the facts and information, turn to the readers, the event being discussed.
In General we try to conduct our work extremely open and publish much information. Moreover, it so happened that his most serious findings we have made in the presence of a kind of "witnesses". So, bullet holes in the glass and alleged firing point inside the House of trade unions we found and examined together with the correspondent of "Komsomolskaya Pravda" Nigina Bekoeva. Evidence activists of the organization "Kulikovo field" we listened to and analyzed together with the correspondent Bi-Bi-si" Tom Wawelem. A hole in the outer glass hall on the fourth floor of the building we studied simultaneously with the crew "Kiselevsky" TV channel "Russia", and with the relatives of the victims spoke in the presence of Romanian TV personalities.
As I said, the events of may 2, immediately began to acquire a lot of rumours and speculations. Began to appear absolutely incredible versions that were issued for the truth in the last instance. Unfortunately, this "stood out" all: and activists of the warring parties, journalists and high ranking officials. So the first days of work of our Committee were mainly dedicated to critical analysis and refutation of these rumors and speculation from the standpoint of common sense and our collected facts.
Another problem was the fact that the tragic events were actively used for the election campaign, to be exact - for General accusations of opponents and the PR on the tragedy. So we never stopped working, but with the tacit approval of colleagues took a pause and made no public statements before the elections.
We understand that the interest in our work is very large, and may 30, held a short press conference at which he shared some intermediate results. We also told where we direct our main efforts and, what information we need.
THE MYSTERY OF THE RED TAPE AT THE HANDS OF POLICE
One of the most controversial circumstances of the day 2 - may-dressing of red tape. They were in the hands of the activists of "Odessa squads", many of which are known to us by name, despite masks and Balaklava. The same bandages at seven o'clock in the evening my great surprise, noted at the hands of police officers that were sent from the Greek square towards the Kulikov field. This moment can be seen at around 5:00 video of my stream.
[video=youtube_share;R_KRLKo_diA]http://youtu.be/R_KRLKo_diA[/video]
Unregulated red bands on the hands of the police was superimposed on the events of may 4, and immediately gave rise to disturbing conspiracy version. Here is the "distinguished" the Russian television, which is one of the plots had forged subtitles. Finally got the impression that the police in the midst of the battle is not just acted together with activists of "Odessa squads", but also directly supervised by them.
The flames were fanned by the statement of one of the MP, which passed the information from one high-ranking official of the Prosecutor's office allegedly tape (wound near the wrist) was necessary to the police in order to hold Chevron (which is located just below the shoulder). Any sane person immediately recalled comic thumbnail about the bandage on his leg, which slipped from his head, and knew that the matter is unclean.
Given that suspicions were very serious, persistently explained all the circumstances connected with this red tape in the hands of the police. I talked to the police, who anonymously answered all my questions. Their responses formed the basis of the hypothesis. To confirm or deny it, I turned for help to the readers of "Duma", which also helped to shed light on the situation. I received invaluable assistance from their colleagues-journalists, who helped to put the final point in question. I double-checked the version on the four independent sources and today I can say confidently.
So, first the facts:
1. Red tape in the hands of the police came several hours after the start of street fighting is closer to 17 hours.
2. All photographs and video recordings of the red bars in the hands of the police are below the elbow - in contrast to the activists of "Odessa squads", which bandage are located above the elbow, with just one exception.
3. All photographs and video recordings strips of adhesive tape wound not on the sleeves and on the plastic shield that protects the hand and elbow.
4. Some policemen Scotch there is only one (right) hand, for some it is on two.
I could not find evidence that red tape was from the police officers above the elbow or just on the clothes.
So, ammunition employee PPP or a serviceman of the internal troops, in addition to the helmet, body armor and shield, includes protective shields-elbow pads worn on the forearm. Plate is mounted with two not very wide "Velcro", which grasping his hands across. While the panel is new, this mount reliably. However, with time, "Velcro" gradually becomes unfit for use, and as it turned out on may 2, lose flap in the confusion of battle - simple.
Activists of the "Odessa squads" had a number of people in uniform and equipment that is similar to the police, with red armbands above the elbow. If you look closely, you can see that they are without shoulder straps, they have no chevrons PPP or the Ministry of internal Affairs that behind them is a purely civil backpacks. Long (below the shoulders) the hair of one of them, clearly show that he is not a police officer. There are photos of these people are often misleading.
Initially, the staff of the regiment PPP, apparently, did not expect a fierce battle and did not bother to fix shields stronger. My colleague, the operator Dumshit", which in that day he was in the ranks of the police, has told, that somewhere at 17:00 overheard a conversation between two policemen. One, equipment PPP, built up on the arm of the red tape, which they found somewhere in Greek. The other, in everyday blue uniform, was asked why from it. Fighter explained that wants to put a shield, so as not to lose.
The situation began to dawn. Left open the question of why the tape was red and he was in Greek. In the end, transparent or, say, gray tape is much more popular and more accessible. The answer was found too. As is known, the activists of the Kulikov field, being surrounded by on the street Greek, actively called for the help of his friends and supporters. Among those who came to the rescue, there were two men - as it turned out, straykbolisty, my friends who earn the organization of corporate airsoft games. On that day they came in Greek with what was at hand. Immediately useful first aid kit, and next to it was a roll of red tape, which they usually mean the players. Then this tape they took Pesnicki, which by that time had already realized that the mounting plate provides reliability, and began to shake him up.
By the way, you can see the video from the airsoft "postrelushka", which was held by "Odessa squad":
[video=youtube_share;vyRlKwth7wg]http://youtu.be/vyRlKwth7wg[/video]
This video shows that "the terrorists" were at least familiar with the organizers airsoft games. In addition, at 0:45 you can see that in that game, the parties were designated bands of red and yellow tape. Do not be surprised, if on may, 2nd on the area of "arrived" the same roll that was used in the game.
The tape was not very much time, too. So Pesnicki during rearrangements and rotation hastily tied the hands of one or two turns. Who had time is fastened two flap who have not had the time is just right.
The question arises: why is such complexity, why the police simply didn't buy a roll of clear tape? The answer is obvious. Those who were on the square, you know that the activists Kulikovo Field and the policemen were in close encirclement, and all the shops in the surrounding streets were tightly closed, away from sin.
Finally, I spent a kind of investigatory experiment. A week ago, leaving the regional administration, I "accidentally" caught with the hand guard at the hands of the soldier of nazvanii, who was on duty on the ground floor of the building. To my surprise, the flap is very easily broke away, and the soldier that not even surprised and baasil that old "Velcro", overlapping, the load is not kept.
By the way, after the events of may 2, when the aggravation of the situation policemen were mounted shields in advance and my colleagues watched it repeatedly. In particular, on may 9, when it was expected provocations, attached with Scotch guard at the hand of the policeman recorded Konstantin SAC. And on may 26, when the hot heads somehow predicted a massive collision of two activists Maydanov, Scotch on the guards fighter of nazvanii near the municipal electoral Committee photographed Alexey Kravtsov, for which he also thank you very much.
Thus, today I have no doubts that red bands at the hands of the soldiers of the regiment of the patrol-guard service are not a crime and has not appeared there as a result of collusion or conspiracy. If someone from the reader there are facts or evidence to the contrary set forth version - I'll be glad to read them.
Of course, the story of red tape in the hands of the police, which I found out is a small and not the most important episode of the events of the second of may. We plan step by step to answer questions related to the disaster, to get more and more complete picture. The work of the "Commission on may 2," continues. At the press conference we announced the serious claims to the leadership of regional police, which, in the opinion of our experts, did not prepare adequately for the expected unrest. We have identified a time frame in which restored full chronology of events.
Also now we apply maximum efforts to clarify all circumstances of the fire in the House of trade unions. To establish the truth we need the stories of eyewitnesses who were inside the building. Understandably, these people are reluctant to speak. We are ready to listen to them anonymously and can (us law this law guarantees) to remain incognito our interlocutors. Please, tell us about what happened in the House, any member of the Commission of your choice. For the sake of peace and tranquillity in the town - please get in touch. We really need your input!
The Author - Sergey Dibrov
Video from the press conference from o1.ua. The story of Sergey Dibrova about red bands on their arms policemen from mark 16:20
[video=youtube_share;RftNmYoY3OQ]http://youtu.be/RftNmYoY3OQ[/video]
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"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
Joseph Fouche
Joseph Fouche