18-06-2014, 05:33 AM
Seal was NOT in or around Dallas on 11/22/63. That is absolute rubbish and likely disinformation - if not, very badly researched writing! The Redbird story has been discussed on this forum [and elsewhere] before - but a quick search didn't turn it up. [and I'm a little suspicious that this threat is number 1 on Google on RedBird and the truth I've put up before is not to be found..but we all know how Google and the NSA work hand in glove..]
I have spent years of my life chasing aspects of that story and don't have the energy to go over all that I've written about it again. Briefly, Plumlee claimed to have flown into and out of Red Bird [spelled both as one word and two, depending] on 11/22/63 and told me [20+ years ago] about Wayne January, the airport manager. Plumlee referred to a specific plane, later mentioned by January and some of Plumlee's story later matched that of January...some did not.
I contacted January 20+ years ago, and he was most reluctant to discuss anything about the events at the airport near 11/22/63! I thought that strange....indeed! It was [and still is] interesting that Plumlee did correctly know who was airport manager in 1963, but what I think is the truer story about January and RedBird didn't come out until after January died. January had told Matt Smith about and just before 11/20-22/63, and asked he NOT put out the full details out to anyone until he and his wife were dead. Matt did this, and you can find it in his book Conspiracy and one other of his JFK books. There he describes how January is met by a mysterious man who wants to buy an airplane at Redbird just before the events of Dallas - and it must be ready for flight by the morning of 11/22/63. While the pilot and January are working on the plane, the pilot casually mentions that JFK is going to be killed and names the day. January totally ignores this as idle talk until JFK IS killed, then he becomes afraid for the rest of his life...as he realizes that he sold and prepared a plane for a bunch of people who were connected to the JFK assassination.
Years later, the Vinson story, told in the Flight from Dallas made 'flights out of Dallas on 11/22/63' more complex and I'll not go into that - as it IS on this Forum, somewhere - even if Google doesn't want anyone to find it. In short, this was an Oswald look-alike who flew out of Dallas a few hours after the shooting, but NOT from Redbird, but from a plane [same type as Plumlee says he flew, same type as January prepared and sold] that landed very briefly on a road being built along the river, North of the Plaza area, but on the outskirts of Dallas - and that person flown to Roswell [yes, THAT Roswell] AFB - which was on lockdown, but allowed the plane to land.
I have asked Plumlee to help me untangle this Gordian Knot, but he has begged off doing so. While I believe it very likely that Plumlee was a co-pilot involved in a flight that day out of Dallas [in that day to Garland; out possibly from Redbird], I am more convinced by the version told by January in Smith's book, and think that the flight from the Trinity River to Roswell likely also took place.
That neither, or should I say all three versions, were not investigated by the 'official' dis-investigation shouldn't surprise anyone! Those hired to do the assassination and muddy the waters were all allowed both free infiltration, execution of their job, and exfiltration - that is clear! Some left by plane, for sure. Others left other ways.
Plumlee and Seal did know each other very well, and flew together during Iran-Contra days - but knew each other before and until Seal was murdered. Plumlee is bitter about Seal's murder.
There is much more to say on this. I have not looked at the article referenced, as I KNOW it is 101% false. If anyone has questions, I'll try to answer. I'll also try to find my previous longer detailing of this aspect of Dallas.
As recently as a few weeks ago, and perhaps 50 times over the last 20 years, I have asked Tosh to help me figure out why the January version and his overlap, but do not FIT - but as I have said, he has always declined to do so. He [Plumlee] did spend a long time in a Federal prison on a trumped-up charge and with an INDEFINITE length sentence shortly after his flight back to Florida from Dallas. He says for asking too many damn questions about what happened in Dallas. He was told that he'd not get out of prison until he stopped talking/asking about Dallas. His 'parole' officer was [he says] CIA or 'intelligence'. Shortly after Plumlee got out of prison on a bad-check charge he was given a HUGE amount of money to buy a plane and fly for the Company, as a proprietary. Go figure.
I believe Redbird WAS used in the plot and did infiltrate a few and exfiltrated many more operatives. Read January's account by Smith. Smith got a sworn affidavit from January on this. That Plumlee also knew parts that match January's story and parts that do not, is still relevant, but I can't do much more with it if Plumlee won't help. I have my opinions, but am not going to put them here and now. I'm also inclined to believe that the Vinson story - or some version very close to it - is also true.
Dallas was a very strange magic show - with many double persons and events - with professional misdirection of attention [then and still]. Seal had nothing to do with Dallas. Seal was a spook and a pilot, but on other ops.
I have spent years of my life chasing aspects of that story and don't have the energy to go over all that I've written about it again. Briefly, Plumlee claimed to have flown into and out of Red Bird [spelled both as one word and two, depending] on 11/22/63 and told me [20+ years ago] about Wayne January, the airport manager. Plumlee referred to a specific plane, later mentioned by January and some of Plumlee's story later matched that of January...some did not.
I contacted January 20+ years ago, and he was most reluctant to discuss anything about the events at the airport near 11/22/63! I thought that strange....indeed! It was [and still is] interesting that Plumlee did correctly know who was airport manager in 1963, but what I think is the truer story about January and RedBird didn't come out until after January died. January had told Matt Smith about and just before 11/20-22/63, and asked he NOT put out the full details out to anyone until he and his wife were dead. Matt did this, and you can find it in his book Conspiracy and one other of his JFK books. There he describes how January is met by a mysterious man who wants to buy an airplane at Redbird just before the events of Dallas - and it must be ready for flight by the morning of 11/22/63. While the pilot and January are working on the plane, the pilot casually mentions that JFK is going to be killed and names the day. January totally ignores this as idle talk until JFK IS killed, then he becomes afraid for the rest of his life...as he realizes that he sold and prepared a plane for a bunch of people who were connected to the JFK assassination.
Years later, the Vinson story, told in the Flight from Dallas made 'flights out of Dallas on 11/22/63' more complex and I'll not go into that - as it IS on this Forum, somewhere - even if Google doesn't want anyone to find it. In short, this was an Oswald look-alike who flew out of Dallas a few hours after the shooting, but NOT from Redbird, but from a plane [same type as Plumlee says he flew, same type as January prepared and sold] that landed very briefly on a road being built along the river, North of the Plaza area, but on the outskirts of Dallas - and that person flown to Roswell [yes, THAT Roswell] AFB - which was on lockdown, but allowed the plane to land.
I have asked Plumlee to help me untangle this Gordian Knot, but he has begged off doing so. While I believe it very likely that Plumlee was a co-pilot involved in a flight that day out of Dallas [in that day to Garland; out possibly from Redbird], I am more convinced by the version told by January in Smith's book, and think that the flight from the Trinity River to Roswell likely also took place.
That neither, or should I say all three versions, were not investigated by the 'official' dis-investigation shouldn't surprise anyone! Those hired to do the assassination and muddy the waters were all allowed both free infiltration, execution of their job, and exfiltration - that is clear! Some left by plane, for sure. Others left other ways.
Plumlee and Seal did know each other very well, and flew together during Iran-Contra days - but knew each other before and until Seal was murdered. Plumlee is bitter about Seal's murder.
There is much more to say on this. I have not looked at the article referenced, as I KNOW it is 101% false. If anyone has questions, I'll try to answer. I'll also try to find my previous longer detailing of this aspect of Dallas.
As recently as a few weeks ago, and perhaps 50 times over the last 20 years, I have asked Tosh to help me figure out why the January version and his overlap, but do not FIT - but as I have said, he has always declined to do so. He [Plumlee] did spend a long time in a Federal prison on a trumped-up charge and with an INDEFINITE length sentence shortly after his flight back to Florida from Dallas. He says for asking too many damn questions about what happened in Dallas. He was told that he'd not get out of prison until he stopped talking/asking about Dallas. His 'parole' officer was [he says] CIA or 'intelligence'. Shortly after Plumlee got out of prison on a bad-check charge he was given a HUGE amount of money to buy a plane and fly for the Company, as a proprietary. Go figure.
I believe Redbird WAS used in the plot and did infiltrate a few and exfiltrated many more operatives. Read January's account by Smith. Smith got a sworn affidavit from January on this. That Plumlee also knew parts that match January's story and parts that do not, is still relevant, but I can't do much more with it if Plumlee won't help. I have my opinions, but am not going to put them here and now. I'm also inclined to believe that the Vinson story - or some version very close to it - is also true.
Dallas was a very strange magic show - with many double persons and events - with professional misdirection of attention [then and still]. Seal had nothing to do with Dallas. Seal was a spook and a pilot, but on other ops.
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"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass