03-07-2014, 05:49 PM
Albert Doyle Wrote:Drew Phipps Wrote:The main problem with Oswald being in the Altgens photo is that he denies it himself, and tells Fritz and the boys he was in the lunchroom. Why would Oswald give up a verifiable alibi for a less verifiable one?
I agree. Fetzer, of course, would say Oswald told Fritz he was "Out on the front steps with Shelley". However that isn't an honest interpretation of Fritz's shorthand that says after all the lunchroom business Oswald went out - with Shelley being on the front steps when he did.
None of this really answers how several other Depository witnesses could put Oswald getting change from the secretaries on the 2nd floor at the time of the shooting. Or even DiEugenio's analysis of Carolyn Arnold's statement that really said "12:25" as the time she witnessed Oswald sitting in the lunchroom. The problem doorway Oswald advocates have is they have to get Oswald from the lunchroom at 12:25 down to the front steps unwitnessed. Have him out there unwitnessed, and then back upstairs unwitnessed.
Meanwhile if you look at the Prayerman photo people are headed towards the Depository steps. The photo exists in a dynamic scene where, at this time in the assassination, people are headed towards the Depository entrance. That makes it nearly impossible that Oswald would not be witnessed by the numerous people that would have to be shoulder to shoulder with him in the Depository front door when he went back inside.
Albert
Please quote your sources (statements or testimony) that show any witnesses stating Oswald was on the 2nd floor getting change from secretaries at the time of the assassination. By "time of the shooting", I assume you are saying Oswald was obtaining change at 12:30?
Please explain how Fritz's shorthand notes, written at least a week after the interrogation, and verified by no one, are a reliable source of evidence.
Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald in the 1st floor lunch room, not the 2nd floor lunchroom, at 12:25. Please explain why you think it would be difficult for Oswald to make the short trip from the 1st floor lunch room to the front steps, prior to the assassination and, with everyone's attention drawn to Elm St. and JFK's imminent arrival, go unnoticed by the people on the steps.
Please address the point I made in my response to you; how Buell Wesley Frazier can be seen looking directly at "Prayer Man" in the film capture, yet have no recollection of seeing a person in that location. Perhaps that will help you understand how none of the other witnesses were able to recall seeing Oswald at the top of the steps.
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.
Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964
Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964