08-10-2014, 11:18 AM
Magda Hassan Wrote:Steve Franklin Wrote:....I lean more toward Freud, in that Freud relied upon much less mystical postulates and fewer undemonstrable ideas like the collective unconscious, which Jung never got around to clearly defining, let alone proving. My impression of Jung is that he was attempting--unsuccessfully--to rescue religion from the clutches of rationalism.
Freud couldn't do hypnosis and therefore resorted to dream analysis. Jung couldn't do logical thought and therefore resorted to mysticism and--dare I say it--mumbo jumbo.
Don't think Freud does logic or rational either...his writing on hysteria and penis envy is pathetic and tragic. He was too caught up playing high priest of his own cult to see through anything other than the eye of his own self obsessed penis. And he knew where the money was and had no intentions of exposing a huge swathe of the Austrian ruling classes as the sexual abusers and predators they were.
Yes, Freud's obsession with sex in the sense that Freud was reductive in his analysis and, for him, the unconscious was simply a collection of repressed emotions and desires -- whereas Jung conceived of the Collective Unconscious where the Archetypes were seated. The playing high priest to his own cult also strikes strong chord. It might've been more a case of playing high priest to his own ego, though (his words were "I cannot risk my authority" in connection to a dream he had that he had asked Jung to analyse, and refusing to go on with the analysis).
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14