15-12-2014, 08:16 PM
Commentary from the Xymphora blog, coloured by that blog's typically quite-strident anti-Israeli perspective, but with some interesting observations nonetheless.
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"U.S. Tortured and Killed Innocent People for the Specific Purpose of Producing False Propaganda"
It is instructive that all the analysis from the United States, from both the 'right' and the 'left'. is that torture is employed for the purposes of eliciting otherwise unavailable information that saves American lives from 'terrorism'. The 'right' accepts this uncritically; the 'left' either points out - correctly - that torture produces unreliable information, or alleges that it is not worth the moral decay to the country (not to mention the cost to the American reputation). Both share the assumption that there is information - facts - available from certain individuals that could save American lives.
Of course, this is utter nonsense. The Global War On Terror is the creation of World Jewry specifically intended to increase Islamophobia in order to continue American protection for the supremacist Jewish project of building a Zionist empire across the Middle East. Considering the degree of provocation caused by American violence it is remarkable that there is almost no real terrorism, at least coming from Muslims. Almost all acts described as 'terrorism' are either:
The CIA isn't stupid. Psychopathic, yes, but not stupid. The leaders of the CIA know that there are no facts available that would help fighting the Global War On Terror. On the contrary, the facts are not only useless, but positively dangerous, for the propaganda war that the American government is engaged in.
The entire premise of torture is that pressure can be applied to human beings to force them to give up their secrets, accurate information that could save American lives. This is largely based on entertainment provided by, yes, 'Hollywood;' (i.e., the propaganda arm of World Jewry), with the ticking time bomb that can only be found through pressure imposed on a captured 'terrorist' being the classic example. Of course, the reality is that the poor victims of torture are in extremis, and will do anything to resolve their situation. If only they could figure out what to say that would satisfy the CIA torturers.
The trick of excellent torturing is to convey to the torture victim what parts of the propaganda background would end the torture. It is a trick the thug torturers have never really mastered. The tragedy is that neither the CIA torturers, nor their victims, are aware that the torture is not a fact-finding enterprise. It is a propaganda-creation exercise. Thus the answers that any victim is liable to give - various facts known to the victim, or at least things made up out of necessity on the false hope that any kind of fact might please the torturer - won't work. Since the entire premise of the Global War On Terror is based on lies - the main lie being that the danger to Americans is from Islam and not from World Jewry - facts can never please the torturer.
Consider how the CIA acted, against how we would expect it to act if it were really engaged in a critical fact-finding exercise. Instead of picking up people who might actually be real terrorists, it rounded up victims holus-bolus, based on mistakes in identity and, in many cases, no attempt to confirm identity at all. There has never been any effort made to attempt to confirm if many of these victims had any hope of producing facts connected to terrorism (this is also the case for the victims at Guantanamo Bay)[B]. Once captured and tortured, at least some victims were killed, out of what appears to be mere carelessness and sloppiness. [B]If these people had real, valuable information, the last thing a real torture operation would want is for the victims to die. Even the high-value victims, people with verifiable connections to radical groups, [B]were handled in the most incompetent way possible, driving them insane, and thus useless as conveyors of information, before any accurate information was obtained.
The CIA behaved exactly as you might expect it to behave if it didn't really want the facts, and just wanted an operation intended to produce propaganda. The basis of all the lies told by the CIA and American politicians and bureaucrats is to misrepresent the basis and purpose of the Global War On Terror.
Of course, the American 'left' can't mention any of this, as the truth is career-ending 'anti-Semitism'. That is why nothing will change.
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[/B][/B][/B]Tweet (Sam Husseini; his posting on the issue):
We could even go further back to the Executive Intelligence Review News Service, 2005: "DIA Proof Of Cheney's Lies Released" (based on the CIA's President's Daily Briefing of September 21, 2001, before Ibn Shaykh al-Libi had been captured and interrogated by the Americans, and before his rendition to Egypt, where torture created his testimony of an Iraq-al Qaeda connection). This means that the intelligence community knew the stories they were creating using torture were lies.
The newest revelation, separate from the Torture Report, is that Levin has details from the classified March 2003 - just before the American attack on Iraq started - CIA cable warning that the allegation that Mohamed Atta had met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague was false. Ironically, it appears that Brennan has released this in order to attempt to protect the CIA's reputation by emphasizing that Bush/Cheney/Powell had been given due warning from the CIA that the propaganda basis for the American attack on Iraq was a lie. Levin:
The Atta Prague meeting is the creation of Douglas Feith, who created the lie in the face of specific CIA information to the contrary, and passed it on through Libby to Cheney and Powell (of course, the suppressed 'Able Danger' material informs us that 'Atta' was working for the US government throughout, as one of those false flag recruiters/military trainers in the mold of Ali Mohamed, a role much beloved by the Pentagon, so the CIA or Pentagon knew where 'Atta' was at all times, including not being in Prague at the relevant time; my emphasis in red and green):
I wonder if the DIA connection means it was the DIA, and not the CIA, that was directing the various torturers in what specific story they wanted from the torture. You also have to wonder if she was part of an Israeli conspiracy with Feith. It is not clear that the Prague meeting came out of a guided torture session, or whether she and Feith just made it up.
And more background:
..........
"U.S. Tortured and Killed Innocent People for the Specific Purpose of Producing False Propaganda"
It is instructive that all the analysis from the United States, from both the 'right' and the 'left'. is that torture is employed for the purposes of eliciting otherwise unavailable information that saves American lives from 'terrorism'. The 'right' accepts this uncritically; the 'left' either points out - correctly - that torture produces unreliable information, or alleges that it is not worth the moral decay to the country (not to mention the cost to the American reputation). Both share the assumption that there is information - facts - available from certain individuals that could save American lives.
Of course, this is utter nonsense. The Global War On Terror is the creation of World Jewry specifically intended to increase Islamophobia in order to continue American protection for the supremacist Jewish project of building a Zionist empire across the Middle East. Considering the degree of provocation caused by American violence it is remarkable that there is almost no real terrorism, at least coming from Muslims. Almost all acts described as 'terrorism' are either:
- false flags; or
- self-defensive actions against violent - and legitimate - American or allied military or intelligence targets.
The CIA isn't stupid. Psychopathic, yes, but not stupid. The leaders of the CIA know that there are no facts available that would help fighting the Global War On Terror. On the contrary, the facts are not only useless, but positively dangerous, for the propaganda war that the American government is engaged in.
The entire premise of torture is that pressure can be applied to human beings to force them to give up their secrets, accurate information that could save American lives. This is largely based on entertainment provided by, yes, 'Hollywood;' (i.e., the propaganda arm of World Jewry), with the ticking time bomb that can only be found through pressure imposed on a captured 'terrorist' being the classic example. Of course, the reality is that the poor victims of torture are in extremis, and will do anything to resolve their situation. If only they could figure out what to say that would satisfy the CIA torturers.
The trick of excellent torturing is to convey to the torture victim what parts of the propaganda background would end the torture. It is a trick the thug torturers have never really mastered. The tragedy is that neither the CIA torturers, nor their victims, are aware that the torture is not a fact-finding enterprise. It is a propaganda-creation exercise. Thus the answers that any victim is liable to give - various facts known to the victim, or at least things made up out of necessity on the false hope that any kind of fact might please the torturer - won't work. Since the entire premise of the Global War On Terror is based on lies - the main lie being that the danger to Americans is from Islam and not from World Jewry - facts can never please the torturer.
Consider how the CIA acted, against how we would expect it to act if it were really engaged in a critical fact-finding exercise. Instead of picking up people who might actually be real terrorists, it rounded up victims holus-bolus, based on mistakes in identity and, in many cases, no attempt to confirm identity at all. There has never been any effort made to attempt to confirm if many of these victims had any hope of producing facts connected to terrorism (this is also the case for the victims at Guantanamo Bay)[B]. Once captured and tortured, at least some victims were killed, out of what appears to be mere carelessness and sloppiness. [B]If these people had real, valuable information, the last thing a real torture operation would want is for the victims to die. Even the high-value victims, people with verifiable connections to radical groups, [B]were handled in the most incompetent way possible, driving them insane, and thus useless as conveyors of information, before any accurate information was obtained.
The CIA behaved exactly as you might expect it to behave if it didn't really want the facts, and just wanted an operation intended to produce propaganda. The basis of all the lies told by the CIA and American politicians and bureaucrats is to misrepresent the basis and purpose of the Global War On Terror.
Of course, the American 'left' can't mention any of this, as the truth is career-ending 'anti-Semitism'. That is why nothing will change.
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[/B][/B][/B]Tweet (Sam Husseini; his posting on the issue):
"Key torture report finding buried in footnote 857: torture helped produce bogus case for Powell on Iraq war"
Landay at McClatchy, 2009 (without the specifics, but with clear understanding that the torture was intended to produce lies to be used for propaganda): "Report: Abusive tactics used to seek Iraq-al Qaida link"We could even go further back to the Executive Intelligence Review News Service, 2005: "DIA Proof Of Cheney's Lies Released" (based on the CIA's President's Daily Briefing of September 21, 2001, before Ibn Shaykh al-Libi had been captured and interrogated by the Americans, and before his rendition to Egypt, where torture created his testimony of an Iraq-al Qaeda connection). This means that the intelligence community knew the stories they were creating using torture were lies.
The newest revelation, separate from the Torture Report, is that Levin has details from the classified March 2003 - just before the American attack on Iraq started - CIA cable warning that the allegation that Mohamed Atta had met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague was false. Ironically, it appears that Brennan has released this in order to attempt to protect the CIA's reputation by emphasizing that Bush/Cheney/Powell had been given due warning from the CIA that the propaganda basis for the American attack on Iraq was a lie. Levin:
"There is a second recent revelation about how the "Prague meeting" progressed from unsubstantiated report to justification for war. It comes from Jiri Ruzek, who headed the Czech counterintelligence service on and after 9/11. Mr. Ruzek published a memoir earlier this year, which we have had translated from Czech. It recounts the days after the terror attack, including how his nation's intelligence services first reported a single-source rumor of a Prague meeting between Atta and al-Ani, how CIA officials under pressure from CIA headquarters in turn pressured him to substantiate the rumor, and how U.S. officials pressured the Czech government when Czech intelligence officials failed to produce the confirmation that the Bush administration sought.
Mr. Ruzek writes, "It was becoming more and more clear that we had not met expectations and did not provide the right' intelligence output." Mr. Ruzek goes on: "The Americans showed me that anything can be violated, including the rules that they themselves taught us. Without any regard to us, they used our intelligence information for propaganda press leaks. They wanted to mine certainty from unconfirmed suspicion and use it as an excuse for military action. We were supposed to play the role of useful idiot thanks to whose initiative a war would be started."
That's chilling. We have a senior intelligence official of a friendly nation describing the pressure that he and other Czech officials were under to give the Bush administration material it could use to justify a war."
Mr. Ruzek writes, "It was becoming more and more clear that we had not met expectations and did not provide the right' intelligence output." Mr. Ruzek goes on: "The Americans showed me that anything can be violated, including the rules that they themselves taught us. Without any regard to us, they used our intelligence information for propaganda press leaks. They wanted to mine certainty from unconfirmed suspicion and use it as an excuse for military action. We were supposed to play the role of useful idiot thanks to whose initiative a war would be started."
That's chilling. We have a senior intelligence official of a friendly nation describing the pressure that he and other Czech officials were under to give the Bush administration material it could use to justify a war."
The Atta Prague meeting is the creation of Douglas Feith, who created the lie in the face of specific CIA information to the contrary, and passed it on through Libby to Cheney and Powell (of course, the suppressed 'Able Danger' material informs us that 'Atta' was working for the US government throughout, as one of those false flag recruiters/military trainers in the mold of Ali Mohamed, a role much beloved by the Pentagon, so the CIA or Pentagon knew where 'Atta' was at all times, including not being in Prague at the relevant time; my emphasis in red and green):
"Cheney's public statements before and after the war about the risks posed by Iraq have closely tracked the briefing Feith's office presented to the vice president's then-chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. That includes the briefing's depiction of an alleged 2001 meeting in Prague between an Iraqi intelligence official and one of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers as one of eight "Known Iraq-Al Qaida Contacts."
The defense report states that at the time, "the intelligence community disagreed with the briefing's assessment that the alleged meeting constituted a 'known contact' " -- a circumstance that the report said was known to Feith's office. But his office had bluntly concluded in a July 2002 critique of a CIA report on Iraq's relationship with al-Qaeda that the CIA's interpretation of the facts it cited "ought to be ignored."
The briefing to Libby was also presented with slight variations to then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, then-CIA Director George J. Tenet and then-deputy national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley. It was prepared in part by someone whom the defense report described as a "junior Naval Reservist" intelligence analyst detailed to Feith's office from the DIA. The person is not named in the report, but Edelman wrote that she was requested by Feith's office."
The defense report states that at the time, "the intelligence community disagreed with the briefing's assessment that the alleged meeting constituted a 'known contact' " -- a circumstance that the report said was known to Feith's office. But his office had bluntly concluded in a July 2002 critique of a CIA report on Iraq's relationship with al-Qaeda that the CIA's interpretation of the facts it cited "ought to be ignored."
The briefing to Libby was also presented with slight variations to then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, then-CIA Director George J. Tenet and then-deputy national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley. It was prepared in part by someone whom the defense report described as a "junior Naval Reservist" intelligence analyst detailed to Feith's office from the DIA. The person is not named in the report, but Edelman wrote that she was requested by Feith's office."
I wonder if the DIA connection means it was the DIA, and not the CIA, that was directing the various torturers in what specific story they wanted from the torture. You also have to wonder if she was part of an Israeli conspiracy with Feith. It is not clear that the Prague meeting came out of a guided torture session, or whether she and Feith just made it up.
And more background:
- "Lie by Lie: A Timeline of How We Got Into Iraq"
- "Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations"
- "Humanitarian Aid Worker: Torture Only Stopped When I Pretended I Was In Al Qaeda"
- "U.S. Officials Guilty of War Crimes for Using 9/11 As a False Justification for the Iraq War"
- "The Media Is Focusing On the WRONG Senate Torture Report"