"Dr. Mary's Monkey"

[Jan Klimkowski]

This is weirdo stuff for me. Judyth Vary Baker, a completely untrained, uneducated "scientist", "genius" doing cancer research??? Never happened. Very doubtful that she even really knew Dr. Mary Sherman, or Marina Oswald's husband, the 5'9" (Lee) Harvey Oswald. or David Ferrie. Didin't her husband, Robert, say that she worked at a hamburger joint, White Castle, or something like that in New Orleans? Then later as a secretary at the Reily Coffee Company? Oswald a coffee-grinder machine oiler, wasn't he, in a far-away part of their building?

I have known real virologists and cancer researchers, and believe me, they did not become scientists right after high school or a year or so of college. It takes years of intensive study and work. And, if Dr. Mary Sherman had a cancer project going, she would have hired first-rate technical and scientific staff. So would the CIA, and even Robert G. Heath.

Adele - agreed.

By the way, I was at Tulane University School of Medicine in the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology, and I know a lot about that place and the people there, a lot..

Pray tell.

Robert G Heath's work is clearly part of the nexus featuring other dark luminaries such as Ewen Cameron, George Estabrooks, Jolly West and Martin Orne.

And probably your own Jose Rivera.

This is one very sad case of a person cleverly winding herself into a real situation, and being the "star" of the movie. There are a lot of people like this out there, and a good psychiatrrist can quickly figure them out, and so can an experienced policeman/detective. Police departments are sometimes overwhelmed by people confessing to a sensationalistic murder which they did not commit, or were not involved in in any way. This is similar to the entwinement by Judyth V. Baker into the JFK assassination and into the CIA murder plots on Fidel Castro. Even though the CIA has done some really stupid things, I can't conceive that they would have decided to use cancer virus-containing materials to eliminate someone like Castro when rifles or poisons would have been so much quicker. People can live a long time with cancer, depending upon the type of cancer and their immune systems. And also, foreign animal cells, or products injected would be quickly destroyed by a human immune system.

I wonder how many have read Ed Haslam's earlier two versions of his later book. These were titled Mary, Ferrie, and the Monkey Virus. He showed the relationship between the polio vaccine and soft-tissue cancer growths, and also figured out how Dr. Mary Sherman died. For those reasons, that much of his work has real value.

Incidentally, the person who discovered the relationship between viruses being one causative agent in inducing cancer tumor growths was Dr. Peyton Rous, when a young scientist at the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research (as it was called then, becoming Rockefeller University in the 1960s). I met him there in 1955 when I was a Visiting Investigator in Dr. David Lloyd's laboratory. Dr. Rous and I had lunch together one day and he told me how he had made his famous discovery, in 1911 (or so). He won his Nobel Prize for that work in 1967, I think it was.

Judyth could not have done those experiments.

Has anyone wondered if she could have been a witting, or even an unwitting, agent of distraction and/or disinformation? The JFK research community has certainly spent a lot of time and effort in dealing with her. Rich DellaRosa had her on for a time on his forum and then asked her to leave because it was a waste of time. His sister, a professor of Psychology, diagnosed her affliction as Pseudologia Fantastica (fantastic falseword), one of the factitious disorders. In other words, pathologiocal lying, possibly an ego defense mechanism in attempting to repair a shattered ego. There is no known treatment for it, according to psychiatric textbooks, and the cause seems to be unknown, although childhood abuse has been mentioned. She needs help, but JFK researchers should not be validating her fictional life story, because that is not helping her.

Adele - my best sense is entirely as you articulate above.

Judyth Vary Baker has "inserted" herself into history and now believes her own fiction.