Malaysian plane crashes on Ukraine-Russia border - live

[Paul Rigby]

Kiev Censors MH17 Air Traffic Control Recordings

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The strange case of Carlos the Spanish air controller

http://iouco.tumblr.com/post/92543598069...controller

Picture of Carlos published by the Vietnamese site "Vietnam Plus" http://www.vietnamplus.vn/chuyen-vien-kh...271658.vnp

(Note: this is a work in progress. My intention is to know who is Carlos. Where is he? Why he has disappeared?) I am a citizen from Barcelona who is living in Lithuania. I am using a nick-name but I am not an avatar or a fake profile. I have not any connection with Russian secret services or with Russia. I am not member of any organization, political party or agency. I try to be honest when I write about the Ukrainian conflict. I have to admit that sometimes I am biased since I have been always a moderately left-wing person. There are millions of citizens in Catalonia or Spain that are also left-wing like me. This is why since the beginning I have been active against maidan. When I saw the people that were involved in that movement (the neo-nazis of "Pravy Sektor" and fascists of "Svoboda") I immediatly thought that I had to do something to fight against them. Sorry for my English that is far from perfect)

Some thoughts and information about Carlos, the Spanish aircontroller who said that was working in Borispol airport (Kiev) when the Malaysian Boeing was shot down (according to him the Boeing was shot down by jets following instructions of Kiev Junta)

Carlos gave an interview to RT en Español (May 8th 2014). Check the link below. I am following him in twitter since march 2014.One of my friends is following him since January 2014. He said that he was traffic air controller in Ukraine BEFORE the Malaysian plane tragedy happened. The account of Carlos was created in 2010. Before Maidan he posted a lot of stuff there (I read many of his posts with my own eyes….tweets about his life, travels, football, bullshitting etc….anything about politics). On friday 18th at 7 pm (Lithuanian time) I was at home watching BBC World News and it appeared a flash with the breaking news, a Boeing of Malaysia Airlines crashed somewhere near the Russian border in the Donbass region.

I went to twitter around 7.30 pm (Lithuanian time) and I saw the tweets of Carlos. I copied many of them. He was tweeting for around 2 hours. I was copying his tweets and pasted them in a note in facebook respecting his ortography and the way he wrote them (check below). Later at mid-night I tried to connect again and the account was deleted. And he "disappeared" misteriously.

Who is Carlos? I have analyzed the interview given to RT en Español. He has not foreign accent… I mean he is for sure a Spanish citizen probably from the region of Madrid, Castilla or North of Spain (he deffinetively is not from South America or from the region of Andalucia). Where is he now? The amazing thing of Carlos is that he could not know that the Malaysian plane crashed before 7 pm since BBC World News didn't say anything about the crash till 7 pm (Lithuanian time). And when I went to his twitter account he already had posted a lot of tweets. If he was not in Borispol aircontrol tower (and he was lying) how he was able to tweet about the Malaysian airplane crash before the news were broadcasted by the mass-media? How he could do that? Some people have been doing "investigation" about Carlos. Some magazines and sites like "Global Research" said that they discovered (by the IP) he was tweeting from London. Other Spanish magazine told that they sent a message to Carlos and he answered with a IP from Romania. I think any of them know anything about where he was tweeting from. The fact that the Spanish Embassy in Kiev didn't know anything about "Carlos" does not prove anything. Myself I have been living in Lithuania for 8 years and the Embassy only knew about me 3 years ago when I was forced to renovate my passport. The Spanish law does not force the Spanish citizens to register in the Embassies or Consulates. This is an option that can be useful for voting or bureaucratic stuff but is not required by the Spanish authorities. The Ukrainian "authorities" (it means maidan regime) said that according to the Ukrainian law (which law? in Ukraine does not exist such a thing) a foreigner can not work as air traffic controller. But of course what are they going to tell? Also they are telling us that the airplane was shot down by the " pro-russians terrorists" and we know that this is not true.

I don't find any rational explanation for Carlos and his tweets. Maybe he is just a crazy man with the incredible talent of tweeting about the events at the same time the events were happening (how he managed to tweet furiously about the Malaysian plane at the same time the events were happening if he was in London, Romania or Spain?). Where is Carlos now? If he is alive why he is hidding? I reproduce here the note that I posted on 18/07/2014.

Also I include a link with the interview that Carlos gave to RT en Español on May 8th 2014.

http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view...nia-crisis

I include the snapshots of Carlos tweets in this folder: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mwy9zl4ys8kpg...mB4pphI0Sa

I also include (at the end of the note) a translation of the tweets of Carlos the day of the tragedy (in English). One of my friends sent me the translation into English. I repeat again that when I started to write this note I simply was chosing the tweets that I considered more interesting (so I didn't copy all of them but only the ones that I thought were interesting). But some people managed to copy all his tweets and translate them into English. All the tweets are in the folder I included above in a dropbox folder.



I wrote this post on 18th July 2014 (the day of the Malaysian airline crash)

Please friends….I forward this information. There is a Spanish aircontroller working at Kiev Borispol airport…he said that the Malaysian airplane was shot down by two Ukrainian jets. Even the Ukrainian militars know that. Also it looks that the Ukrainian military were organizing a coup against Poroshenko. He says that the air traffic control tower where he is working is now occupied by foreign agents. I reproduce here his tweets. He says that the order to shoot down the Malaysian airline is not coming from the military but from the interior ministry or from outside. Use please the google translator if you don't speak Spanish. Carlos is a well-known person in Spain. He is a simple guy. He was posting his stuff in twitter for many years. Pictures of his family, his travels etc…But in January 2014 he started to write negative posts against maidan. He was living in Kiev and he was threated by the maidanites. He was forced to move to Spain with his family. He is using a pretty funny Spanish sometimes (words that come from Bilbao, city where his family is living). Later he came back to Kiev again since he is working as an air traffic controller there and he is a very stubborn person. I am following him in twitter since march 2014. Their posts are usually very funny. Time to time I was sharing his thoughts. Right now he has become a "key person" in all this tragedy since he was on the air traffic control tower in Borispol controlling the radars. By the way I was born in Barcelona. Sorry for my English since is far from perfect.
ORIGINAL IN SPANISH LANGUAGE

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

Yo no formó parte de este conflicto, como el 80/100 de los ciudadanos de aquí que solo quieren vivir en paz, pro uno y pro otros.

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos.

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero.

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí

Retweeted Carlos. (@spainbuca):

Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos.

(TRANSLATION INTO ENGLISH)

The soldiers under the orders of Interior Minister knew at all times what happened.Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is the army of ukraine,I was not part of this conflict, as 80/100 citizens here who just want to live in peace, and one pro pro others.How to take the control tower minutes after knowing all the details, fast made us think that they were.290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money.At 7:00 minutes the demolition was notified later the tower was taken with our foreign staff still here Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way to timoshenko ordersMilitary ukraine confirm that he was, but still does not know where the order cameHere the military commanders who manage and support to other military orders, could be, but no, the pro-Russian):In radar this all collected, for unbelievers, brought down by kiev, here we know and military air traffic control alsoJust disappear aircraft B 777 Malaysia Airlines kiev military authority informed us of the demolition, as you know?):At 7:00 minutes the demolition was notified later the tower was taken with our foreign staff still here q):The fighters flew about 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes.

(TRANSLATION INTO RUSSIAN)

Испанский авиадиспетчер, который выходит в сеть под ником Carlos Spainbuca и работает в аэропорту Борисполь в Киеве, сообщает, что военные диспетчеры послали отчет правительству в Киев, в нем говорится, что ракета сбившая малазийский Боинг, была пущена не с территории, контролируемой повстанцами. Он утверждает, что самолет мог быть сбит украинскими ракетами."Истребители сопровождали 777 три минуты до того, как он исчез с радаров, только три минуты";"Это Киев его сбил, Киев, они должны его искать, у нас есть подтверждение, Киев его сбил, мы здесь все спокойны";"Здесь всем командуют военные, это не пророссийские силы, военные подтверждают, что был приказ, только мы не знаем, откуда именно"

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Other translation into English that I got from a friend :

Spanish air traffic controllers working in Kiev, wrote on his twitter:

"Before They take away our phones or will smash our heads,I will say tat Aircraft was hit by Kiev"

The Spaniard has left more than 20 posts, of which referred to two ukrainian fighters that accompanied the plane until the loss of communication with him.

Carlos messages in order:

1: Aviakatastrof, a passenger plane crashed in Ukraine, Donetsk region

2: Aviokatastrof, plane 777, in the area of Donetsk

3: B 777 "Malaysia Airline" crashed in Ukraine, on the border with Russia

4: B 777 "Malaysia Airline" 280 passengers. Crashed in Donetsk, Ukraine.

5: Kiev authorities are trying to make it look like an attack from pro-Russian militias

6: WARNING! Perhaps B 777 was shot down in Ukraine. 280 Passengers

7: This is how! Looks Kiev got what he wanted.

8: In Kiev again control of the tower was seized .

9: Confirmed: The B 777 lost on the radar, there were no reports of any abnormalities.

10: The plane was shot down, it is not an accident

11: Kiev got what he wanted. I have already mentioned in previous tweets

12: This is not an ordinary plane crash. They Threaten us in the control room.

13: At any time, they will take away phones

14: Before they take away phones, or will break my head, it Kiev who nocked the plane.

15: We have proof . Plane shot down. Kiev authorities are already disposes information. Shot down. Now we are calm.

16: What do foreign agents doing in the control tower? Gathering information.

17: When it is possible, continue to write.

18: B 777 aircraft flew in with two Ukrainian fighter, just until it disappeared from radar.

19: If the Kiev authorities want to tell the truth, the two fighters flew next few minutes before they knocked the plane.

20: Immediately after the B 777 missing, Kiev military reported the fall of the plane. How do they know?

21: At 7:00 am informed about the downing of the aircraft, and later our dispatch office was captured by Foreigners and they are still here.. Foreigners are still here.

22: For Non believers Evrything detected by Radars radars . Plane was shot down by Kiev. We all know it, and the military, too.

23: Here the military acknowledged that it could make another war, but do not know who ordered.

24: Military suspect that Ukraine did it.. But do not know where the order came from.

25: A few days ago I said that the military want to remove Poroshenko. Perhaps this is the case, and order was by Tymoshenko.

26: Fighter aircraft flew over, and just 3 minutes later he was gone. Total 3 minutes.

27: Close the airspace.

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THIS DOCUMENT WITH THE TRANSLATIONS CAN BE FOUND IN THIS LINK:http://pastebin.com/jHcqkbF0

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#MH17 bombshell: #Boeing777 #Malaysia #Russia #Ukraine:



Retrieved and translated tweets from an silenced air traffic controller. This is the first major leak which points to a foul play regarding the crash of MH77. If you read these tweets you will come to a conclusion that Malaysian jetliner was shot down in Ukraine by Ukrainian government to escalate the war with Russia and pro Russians fighting in Donetsk.

But before you make up your mind, please read them all.

Here are the actual tweets of @spainbuca who is/was an air traffic controller.

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Translated from Spanish by Luis Lopez

Source: Tweets by Spanish Air Controller - @spainbuca [account now deleted]

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10:21 17 de jul. de 2014 Autoridades de kiev, intentan hacer que pueda parecer un ataque de los pro-rusos

"Kiev Authorities, trying to make it look like an attack by pro-Russians"

10:24 17 de jul. de 2014 Ojo! Que puede ser un derribo B777 Malaysia Airlines en ukraine, 280 pasajeros

"warning! It can be a downing, Malaysia Airlines B777 in ukraine, 280 passengers"

10:25 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuidado! Kiev tiene lo que buscaba

"Warning! Kiev have what they wanted"

10:25 17 de jul. de 2014 Vuelven a tomar la torre de control en Kiev

"[Miitary] has taken control of ATC in Kiev"

10:27 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B777 de Malaysia Airlines desapareció del radar, no hubo comunicación de ninguna anomalia, confirmado

"The Malaysia Airlines B777 plane disappeared from the radar, there was no communication of any anomaly, confirmed"

10:30 17 de jul. de 2014 Avión derribado, derribados, derribado no accidente

"Plane shot down, shot down, shot down, no accident"

10:31 17 de jul. de 2014 Kiev, tiene lo que buscaba, lo dije en los primeros tw, kiev es responsable @ActualidadRT

"Kiev have what they wanted, I said in the first tw [Tweets], Kiev is responsible @ ActualidadRT"

10:35 17 de jul. de 2014 Un accidente muy normal no es, no están amenazando en la misma torre del aeropuerto de kiev,

"An accident that is not quite normal, they are threatening us in the same tower of Kiev airport"

10:35 17 de jul. de 2014 Nos van a quitar, nuestros tlf y demás de un momento a otro

"they will take from our phones and others stuff at any moment"

10:38 17 de jul. de 2014 Antes de que me quiten el tlf o me rompan la cabeza, derribado por Kiev

"Before They remove my phone or they break my head, shot down by Kiev"

11:12 17 de jul. de 2014 Nosotros tenemos la confirmación. Avión derribado, la autoridad de kiev, ya tiene la información, derribado, estamos tranquilos ahora

"We have confirmation. Plane downed, Kiev authorities already have the information, downed, we are calm now"

11:13 17 de jul. de 2014 Que hace personal extranjero con autoridades de kiev en la torre? Recopilando toda la información

"What are doing foreigners with kiev authorities in the tower? Gathering all the information"

11:15 17 de jul. de 2014 Cuando sea posible sigo escribiendo

"When possible I´ll keep writing"

11:48 17 de jul. de 2014 El avión B 777 voló escoltado por 2 cazas de ukraine hasta minutos antes, de desaparecer de los radares,

The B777 plane flew escorted by Ukraine jet fighter until 2 minutes before disappearing from the radar,

11:54 17 de jul. de 2014 Sí las autoridades de kiev, quieren decir la verdad, esta recogido 2 cazas volaron muy cerca minutos antes , no lo derribo un caza

"If kiev authorities want to tell the truth, It´s gathered, 2 jet fighters flew very close minutes before, wasn't downed by a fighter"

12:00 17 de jul. de 2014 Nada más desaparecer el avión B 777 de Malaysia Airlines la autoridad militar de kiev nos informo del derribo, como lo sabían?

"Malaysia Airlines B777 plane just disappeared and Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, How they knew?"

12:00 17 de jul. de 2014 A los 7:00 minutos se notificó el derribo, más tarde se tomó la torre nuestra con personal extranjero q siguen aquí

"7:00 minutes after [plane disappeared], the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreigner staff, they still here "

12:01 17 de jul. de 2014 En los radares esta todo recogido, para los incrédulos, derribado por kiev, aquí lo sabemos y control aéreo militar también

"all this is gathered in radars, to the unbelieving, shot down by kiev, here we know it and military air traffic control also"

13:15 17 de jul. de 2014 Aquí los mandos militares manejan y admiten que militares a otras órdenes, pudieron ser, pero no, los pro-rusos

"Here the military commanders are in control and admit that the military could be following other orders , but no, the pro-Russian"

13:29 17 de jul. de 2014 El ministro del interior si conocía que, hacían los cazas en la zona, el ministro de defensa no, .

"Interior Minister knew what the fighters were doing in the area, the defense minister didn't."

13:31 17 de jul. de 2014 Militares confirman que fue ukraine, pero se sigue sin saber de donde vino la orden

"Military confirm It was Ukraine, but still does not know where the order came from"

13:36 17 de jul. de 2014 Hace dias lo dije aquí, militares de kiev querían alzarse contra el actual presidente, esto puede ser una forma, a las órdenes de timoshenko

"Days ago I said here, kiev military wanted to rise against the current president, this may be a way, ordered by timoshenko [following timishenko orders]"

13:38 17 de jul. de 2014 Los cazas volaron cerca del 777, hasta 3 minutos antes de desaparecer de los radares, solo 3 minutos

"The fighters flew close to 777, up to 3 minutes before disappearing from the radar, just 3 minutes"

13:43 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo

"Airspace closed"

13:45 17 de jul. de 2014 Se cierra el espacio aéreo, por miedo a más derribos

"Airspace is closed, more downings feared"

15:17 17 de jul. de 2014 Control militar entrega ahora mismo de forma oficial que el avión fue derribado por misil

"military control now officially [say] the plane was shot down by missile"

15:23 17 de jul. de 2014 El informe oficial firmado por las autoridades militares de control de kiev ya lo tiene el gobierno„„ , derribado

"Government has the official report signed by the control military authorities in Kiev„„ [plane] shot down"

15:26 17 de jul. de 2014 En el informe se indica de donde abría salido el misil, y se especifica que no proviene de las autodefensa en las zonas rebeldes

"The report indicates where the missile had come out [from], and specified is not from the selfdefence in rebel areas"

15:34 17 de jul. de 2014Los radares militares si recogieron los datos del misil lanzado al avión, los radares civiles no

"Military radar collected data from missile fired to the plane, civilian radars didn't"

15:36 17 de jul. de 2014 Los altos mandos militares no ordenaron el lanzamiento del misil, „alguien se le fue la mano en nombre de ukraine

"military high command did not gave the order to fire the missile, someone screw it ine the name of ukraine"

15:38 17 de jul. de 2014 Para el que no lo sepa, digamos así, hay militares a las órdenes del ministro de defensa y militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior

>"For those who do not know, Let's say, there are military under the orders of the defense minister and military under the orders of Interior Minister"

15:38 17 de jul. de 2014 Los militares a las órdenes del ministro del interior conocían en cada momento lo que sucedió, .

"The military under the orders of Interior Minister knew what happened all the time ."

16:06 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares aquí (ATC) torre de control, confirman que el misil es del ejercito de ukraine,

"Military commanders here (ATC) control tower, confirm that the missile is from the ukranian army,"

16:07 17 de jul. de 2014 Mandos militares que si lo sabían y otros mandos que no,

"military commanders that knew it and others didn´t ,"

16:08 17 de jul. de 2014 290 personas inocentes muertas, . Por una guerra inútil, donde el patriotismo se compra con dinero

"290 dead innocent people. What a useless war, where patriotism is bought with money"

16:09 17 de jul. de 2014 La forma de tomar la torre de control minutos después sabiendo todo los detalles, rápido nos hizo pensar que habían sido ellos

"The way the control tower was taken minutes after & knowing all the details, made us think that they [made it]"

16:10 17 de jul. de 2014 La cara de los militares que llegaron más tarde diciendo pero que habéis echo, no dejo dudas

"The face of the soldiers who came later saying [what you just did], no chance for doubts"

16:12 17 de jul. de 2014 Es tal la decadencia que los militares acompañados de extranjeros que llegaron primero nos llegaron a pedir que dijéramos su versión

"Such is the decline that military who came first accompanied by foreigners came to us asking us to tell their version"

16:13 17 de jul. de 2014 Nuestra respuesta, fue, estos radares no recogen el lanzamiento de misiles, los militares si, ya no quedaban dudas

"Our response was, these radars do not collect the launching of missiles, the military ones does, there were no doubts"

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by Mykolas Alutis

Mykolas Alutis is a social activist born in Barcelona and living for many years in Eastern Europe. He is co-founder and coordinating team member of IOUC. You can reach him at his private e-mail: argonautas2010@yahoo.com