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USA under presidency of a know-nothing, neo-fascist, racist, sexist, mobbed-up narcissist!!
This is all playing out now at almost light speed...every day brings a few blockbuster new facts and details. Some things don't yet make sense. There is ipso facto nothing wrong [in fact not a bad idea] to have better relationship with Russia and the USA. That said, while Kushner may not have known that secret back-channel communications or even talking about setting them up would involve NSA/CIA/FBI listening in and likely leaks [which seems to be what is happening]. Flynn as DIA director certainly would have known this and the dangers of this. I think much of the effort at Russian-Trump Team communication was only at the business level [to enrich Trump and his 'friends', not the USA], as many of them have already had extensive business ties with Russian banks, oligarchs and companies. Trying to do a back-channel communication with Russia was done [for all the right reasons, I think!] by JFK - and that is a large part of the reason he was targeted for assassination - but far from the only one. The USA and especially the intelligence community sees Russia as only an adversary and can not contemplate nor continence improving the relationship in any way nor for any reason - in fact, it would negatively effect their profits and those they work for. It is still unclear what exactly the Trumpers had in mind with the Russian contacts and desire for secret back-channel contacts, but it will play out in Congressional committees, in the MSM and in the D.C. establishment VERY negatively. Trump is finished in some months unless he starts a major war or goes the nuclear route - and that I think is the biggest danger. I think this will be uglier and more complex than Watergate and will further destroy the country along with destroying Trump - which may not be without its good consequences. Flynn, to me, seems to be the mystery man here...he would know better - know that what was attempted couldn't be gotten away with, no matter what the motive. No MSM media has brought up JFK's back-channel communication with the Soviets - and perhaps that is best - as they'd get it wrong. We live in strange times and Trump and his team are even stranger than I though possible.....in ways that go FAR beyond this story. My take is that if the Russians had anything to do with the way the elections went [far from proven to me], they likely did so on their own and not in collusion with Trump's team [but I could be wrong - but this is ASSUMED by the MSM without any proofs I can yet see. What I see is a LOT of business self-interest driving Trump's team from wanting and maintaining contacts with Russia. Again, if these were to further peace between the two biggest nuclear and military powers, the better; if they were just to enrich a few on either side - they do not benefit peace nor the peoples of Russia nor the USA....and are corrupt in a business and ethical sense. The secrecy 'bit' is the strange part: first that they thought it could be kept secret [especially Flynn with his intelligence background]; second that if ever found out it could be viewed through the MSM and intelligence/deep political spectrum as anything but treasonous. Trump and his team are obviously now in a LOT of heat and trouble and will be spending most of their time deflecting, avoiding, defending, testifying and trying various legal and illegal maneuvers to get out of the 'fire' - which will leave the country to drift without direction [maybe a good thing as the 'captain' was/is a neo-fascist horror]. Again, the really frightening thing in my mind is their realization that only a full scale war, declaration of martial law after another '911' or using nukes on Iran and/or N. Korea could move attention for a long time off of them! Whatever your views on this story, we are now in a horrible mess and constitutional crisis IMO well beyond Watergate or anything before...for the players are not just the President and his team, but the intelligence community and parts of the secret government trying to bring Trump down [with another part possibly behind him - due to his racist, neo-fascist, anti-immigrant, oligarchic ideas and actions, rather than about Russian].

Quote:Russian ambassador told Moscow that Kushner wanted secret communications channel with Kremlin


By Ellen Nakashima, Adam Entous and Greg Miller May 26 at 7:01 PM Washington Post
Jared Kushner and Russia's ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump's transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring, according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports.
Ambassador Sergey Kislyak reported to his superiors in Moscow that Kushner, son-in-law and confidant to then-President-elect Trump, made the proposal during a meeting on Dec. 1 or 2 at Trump Tower, according to intercepts of Russian communications that were reviewed by U.S. officials. Kislyak said Kushner suggested using Russian diplomatic facilities in the United States for the communications.
The meeting also was attended by Michael Flynn, Trump's first national security adviser.
The White House disclosed the meeting only in March, playing down its significance. But people familiar with the matter say the FBI now considers the encounter, as well as another meeting Kushner had with a Russian banker, to be of investigative interest.
Kislyak reportedly was taken aback by the suggestion of allowing an American to use Russian communications gear at its embassy or consulate a proposal that would have carried security risks for Moscow as well as the Trump team.
[Image: 2300-trump-russia-promo.jpg?uuid=BlFWahYlEee7FiaZNBhBaA]Team Trump's ties to Russian interests VIEW GRAPHIC
[Jared Kushner now a focus in Russia investigation]
Neither the meeting nor the communications of Americans involved were under U.S. surveillance, officials said.
The White House declined to comment. Robert Kelner, a lawyer for Flynn, declined to comment. The Russian Embassy did not respond to requests for comment.
Russia at times feeds false information into communication streams it suspects are monitored as a way of sowing misinformation and confusion among U.S. analysts. But officials said that it's unclear what Kislyak would have had to gain by falsely characterizing his contacts with Kushner to Moscow, particularly at a time when the Kremlin still saw the prospect of dramatically improved relations with Trump.
Kushner's apparent interest in establishing a secret channel with Moscow, rather than relying on U.S. government systems, has added to the intrigue surrounding the Trump administration's relationship with Russia.
[CIA director alerted FBI to pattern of contacts between Russian officials and Trump campaign associates]
To some officials, it also reflects a staggering naivete.
The FBI closely monitors the communications of Russian officials in the United States, and it maintains a nearly constant surveillance of its diplomatic facilities. The National Security Agency monitors the communications of Russian officials overseas.
Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said that although Russian diplomats have secure means of communicating with Moscow, Kushner's apparent request for access to such channels was extraordinary.
"How would he trust that the Russians wouldn't leak it on their side?" said one former senior intelligence official. The FBI would know that a Trump transition official was going in and out of the embassy, which would cause "a great deal" of concern, he added. The entire idea, he said, "seems extremely naive or absolutely crazy."
The discussion of a secret channel adds to a broader pattern of efforts by Trump's closest advisers to obscure their contacts with Russian counterparts. Trump's first national security adviser, Flynn, was forced to resign after a series of false statements about his conversations with Kislyak. Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from matters related to the Russia investigation after it was revealed that he had failed to disclose his own meetings with Kislyak when asked during congressional testimony about any contact with Russians.
Kushner's interactions with Russians including Kislyak and an executive for a Russian bank under U.S. sanctions were not acknowledged by the White House until they were exposed in media reports.
It is common for senior advisers of a newly elected president to be in contact with foreign leaders and officials. But new administrations are generally cautious in their handling of interactions with Moscow, which U.S. intelligence agencies have accused of waging an unprecedented campaign to interfere in last year's presidential race and help elect Trump.
Obama administration officials say members of the Trump transition team never approached them about arranging a secure communications channel with their Russian contacts, possibly because of concerns about leaks.
The State Department, the White House National Security Council and U.S. intelligence agencies all have the ability to set up secure communications channels with foreign leaders, though doing so for a transition team would be unusual.
Trump's advisers were similarly secretive about meetings with leaders from the United Arab Emirates. The Obama White House only learned that the crown prince of Abu Dhabi was flying to New York in December to see Kushner, Flynn and Stephen K. Bannon, another top Trump adviser, because U.S. border agents in the UAE spotted the Emirate leader's name on a flight manifest.
Russia would also have had reasons of its own to reject such an overture from Kushner. Doing so would require Moscow to expose its most sophisticated communications capabilities which are likely housed in highly secure locations at diplomatic compounds to an American.
The Post was first alerted in mid-December to the meeting by an anonymous letter, which said, among other things, that Kushner had talked to Kislyak about setting up the communications channel. This week, officials who reviewed the letter and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence said the portion about the secret channel was consistent with their understanding of events.
For instance, according to those officials and the letter, Kushner conveyed to the Russians that he was aware that it would be politically sensitive to meet publicly, but it was necessary for the Trump team to be able to continue their communication with Russian government officials.
In addition to their discussion about setting up the communications channel, Kushner, Flynn and Kislyak also talked about arranging a meeting between a representative of Trump and a "Russian contact" in a third country whose name was not identified, according to the anonymous letter.
The Post reported in April that Erik Prince, the founder of the private security firm Blackwater, now called Academi, and an informal adviser to the Trump transition team, met on Jan. 11 nine days before Trump's inauguration in the Seychelles islands in the Indian Ocean with a representative of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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USA under presidency of a know-nothing, neo-fascist, racist, sexist, mobbed-up narcissist!! - by Peter Lemkin - 27-05-2017, 07:02 AM

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