16-03-2018, 03:35 PM
Ah, Tracy, But you missed the POINT! I'm personally rather agnostic on whether the Russians actually changed the election results. Oh, perhaps they tried, a little....but what you and most who hate Trump but love the Democrats miss is that the USA has BY FAR been the most egregious violator of democracy and voting in other countries by FAR, by any measure, by light years over all other countries combined! To not take that into account - as well as our messing with the USSR and Russia in various ways is to say, in effect "its wrong when 'they' do it; and its fine when we do it". That is an amoral position, and I will not concede that it is not. EVERY report on what may well have been Russian meddling in our election [and even perhaps for Trump] should also mention US meddling in hundreds of elections and polities. Half truths are falsehoods and used to mislead the people. Fine, condemn the Russians if they did so, but what they did, if they did, is child's play compared to what we have done and continue to do [but the Government, MSM, and many citizens play ostrich about]. We will not root out evil if we practice it ourselves and only condemn it when others do it.
Trump has done money laundering for Russians and has done other kinds of deals with Russians that are not savory. He should be condemned for that....but again, all persons who do that should be no matter their status or nationality nor the status or nationality of the dirty money or where it goes to or through. Condemn all equally. And if Trump campaign people were colluding with Russians to rig the election - fine drag 'em to court and put 'em behind bars - but the Clintons do not have clean hands, nor do many others on the other 'side of the aisle'. A plague on all their houses and deeds. I'd love nothing more than for Trump to resign, be impeached or commit suicide - but please for his real crimes, not invented ones, and not without a public awareness that others have done and continue to do the same. I'm all for cleaning up Dodge, but Dodge is not just the White House or Mar Lago now.
Trump has done money laundering for Russians and has done other kinds of deals with Russians that are not savory. He should be condemned for that....but again, all persons who do that should be no matter their status or nationality nor the status or nationality of the dirty money or where it goes to or through. Condemn all equally. And if Trump campaign people were colluding with Russians to rig the election - fine drag 'em to court and put 'em behind bars - but the Clintons do not have clean hands, nor do many others on the other 'side of the aisle'. A plague on all their houses and deeds. I'd love nothing more than for Trump to resign, be impeached or commit suicide - but please for his real crimes, not invented ones, and not without a public awareness that others have done and continue to do the same. I'm all for cleaning up Dodge, but Dodge is not just the White House or Mar Lago now.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass