28-04-2018, 10:52 PM
What a privilege to have the chance to debate the Trump problem with probably the best Trump opponents in the country. Three cheers for everyone who is reading this and is following this topic closely.
Although I have had to eat a lot of words lately, due to the pointed arguments of my fellow posters, I can only add:
1) According the the AP, Trump won 2623 counties in the 2016 election and Hilary Clinton won 489. He won 308 electoral votes to 277 for Hilary. Outside of California (where a lot of Republicans didn't waste time voting) he likely won even the popular vote. And you might even factor in the Libertarian votes in analyzing his support vs. the alternative. And of course, he bested 17 opponents in the Republican primary process.
2) What is puzzling is that so many people in both parties are calling Trump a fascist, yet they favor him being removed from office (without an election) by the National Police Force.
3) To me, that's an odd choice of expletive to be using against Trump in the "Trump vs. Mueller" battle.
4) Although J Edgar Hoover and his COINTELPRO program are criticized by many, the recent revelations about the communications of Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page and the actions of Rosenstein don't seem to represent an improvement over the mentality of J Edgar Hoover. How can these folks have so many friends, especially in high places?
5) The fact that Mueller was involved in the Whitey Bulger/FBI travesty only makes everything look even worse.
It's easy to claim that 60% of the people want to be rid of Trump, then have him removed by the National Police without an election. That's too close (for me) to the tactics used by Germany, the CIA, Hilary and Ukrainian Nazis to remove the elected government in Ukraine in 2014.
For people like me who pretty much like living in American under the American system, we have to keep in mind that the American Revolution was not just won at Yorktown. It had to be won again at Gettysburg. And it may have to be won a third time someplace soon in our own generation.
James Lateer
Although I have had to eat a lot of words lately, due to the pointed arguments of my fellow posters, I can only add:
1) According the the AP, Trump won 2623 counties in the 2016 election and Hilary Clinton won 489. He won 308 electoral votes to 277 for Hilary. Outside of California (where a lot of Republicans didn't waste time voting) he likely won even the popular vote. And you might even factor in the Libertarian votes in analyzing his support vs. the alternative. And of course, he bested 17 opponents in the Republican primary process.
2) What is puzzling is that so many people in both parties are calling Trump a fascist, yet they favor him being removed from office (without an election) by the National Police Force.
3) To me, that's an odd choice of expletive to be using against Trump in the "Trump vs. Mueller" battle.
4) Although J Edgar Hoover and his COINTELPRO program are criticized by many, the recent revelations about the communications of Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page and the actions of Rosenstein don't seem to represent an improvement over the mentality of J Edgar Hoover. How can these folks have so many friends, especially in high places?
5) The fact that Mueller was involved in the Whitey Bulger/FBI travesty only makes everything look even worse.
It's easy to claim that 60% of the people want to be rid of Trump, then have him removed by the National Police without an election. That's too close (for me) to the tactics used by Germany, the CIA, Hilary and Ukrainian Nazis to remove the elected government in Ukraine in 2014.
For people like me who pretty much like living in American under the American system, we have to keep in mind that the American Revolution was not just won at Yorktown. It had to be won again at Gettysburg. And it may have to be won a third time someplace soon in our own generation.
James Lateer