21-09-2018, 03:56 AM
I agree that in many ways the situation of Germany was improved after WWII compared to before. But in my opinion, the Nazis won World War II, Austria came out a little better off but Germany as a country lost World War II badly.
We know that because of the War, Germany was able to get a reboot in the form of the EEU which they dominate. In some ways, this was The Fourth Reich.
But Germany as a nation was dealt a partial death-blow from World War II. Prussia had been the actual state that had unified Germany between the 1780's and 1945. Before World War II, Prussia represented over half of the territory of Germany and had its own government which was in some ways, still a sovereign state in itself. The people who ran the Prussian Government in effect ran Germany due to the structure of their federalism.
The Prussian General Staff had pretty much run Continental Europe from Waterloo right up to 1945. The Prussian Junkers were the dominant conservative group who pretty much ran Prussia. They were the counterparts of the Southern Plantation owners in the US South before the Civil War. They treated the Catholics (and everybody else) like dirt.
As a result of the War, the Eastern provinces of Prussia were totally chopped off and the inhabitants became refugees and mostly relocated to Schleswig-Holstein in Western Germany. Also, almost the entire remainder of Prussia was included in the Russian Zone of Occupation. So even if Germany rebuilt after the War, Prussia and the people who ran it before the War were pretty much toast.
Although Prussia (and Germany) were 70% Protestant and in pre-War Germany, Catholics were almost entirely excluded from the command of the military and the civil service, after the War, West Germany became Catholic dominated (about 48% Catholic). Adenauer ran the country for the benefit of Catholic interests. Adenauer was the former Mayor of Cologne. That city was known as the "loyal daughter of the Catholic Church" at least from the 1300's.
Adenauer limited the EEU to include Catholic West Germany, Catholic France and Catholic Italy. He refused admission to England, Denmark, Sweden, Norway or any other major Protestant country. Adenauer despised Prussians and so Prussia was totally destroyed, mainly by collaboration of Adenauer, the US Occupation and John J. McCloy who served as US German High Commissioner and, of course, with the help of Stalin and the Soviets.
All this came to an end with the assassination of JFK. JFK had apparently had been toying with the idea of unifying, demilitarizing and neutralizing at least the central part of Gemany under the Rapacki Plan. This would have broken up Adenauer's "Black (Catholic) Front" which included only West Germany, Italy and France. Adenauer's villa where he mostly lived (and was the seat of the West German Government while he was there) was on Lake Como or Lake Maggiore in Italy.
The successor of Adenauer was Ludwig Erhard, a Protestant with a Catholic father. Where the Adenauer people viewed the Social Democrats as atheist, secular and anti-clericial, soon after the retirement of Adenauer, a coalition government was formed between the CDU and the Socialist SPD. And the EEU was expanded to include the UK and Protestant Countries.
Of course, Prussia was long dead and gone. And the rest of Europe was probably very glad about that. I haven't kept up-to-date on the situation in Germany from 1964 to date. I do know that Angela Merkel was raised in Communist East Germany and her father ran a Lutheran Seminary there whereby he earned his living. How could you have a Lutheran for-profit Seminary in Communist East Germany? Another huge lie that we were told, that Communism banned religion.
So in my way of thinking, you had the Hitler-Adenauer era from 1933 to 1963 when the Catholics were the clear top-dogs in Germany and Prussia was obliterated.
I would agree that the Nazis apparently went right on truckin' after World War II. If you read "My Life in Peace And War" by Nazi Stuka Pilot Hans-Ulrich Rudel, you realize that at least people like Rudel grew to truly love Argentina (and if you saw the recent movie Operation Finale) they apparently (in some ways) "had it made" in Argentina. They surely were not suffering in Argentina, although some like Martin Bormann were forced to live on estates on the fringe of the jungle, which was likely a come-down from Munich or Berlin. (Must have been a lot more mosquitos).
Apparently, JFK was "playing with fire" when he was messing around with German issues, Nazis and German re-unification. Of course, that is why Nazi-collaboraters like John J. McCloy and Allen Dulles were able to entirely run the Warren Commission. JFK had been messing with "their baby".
James Lateer
We know that because of the War, Germany was able to get a reboot in the form of the EEU which they dominate. In some ways, this was The Fourth Reich.
But Germany as a nation was dealt a partial death-blow from World War II. Prussia had been the actual state that had unified Germany between the 1780's and 1945. Before World War II, Prussia represented over half of the territory of Germany and had its own government which was in some ways, still a sovereign state in itself. The people who ran the Prussian Government in effect ran Germany due to the structure of their federalism.
The Prussian General Staff had pretty much run Continental Europe from Waterloo right up to 1945. The Prussian Junkers were the dominant conservative group who pretty much ran Prussia. They were the counterparts of the Southern Plantation owners in the US South before the Civil War. They treated the Catholics (and everybody else) like dirt.
As a result of the War, the Eastern provinces of Prussia were totally chopped off and the inhabitants became refugees and mostly relocated to Schleswig-Holstein in Western Germany. Also, almost the entire remainder of Prussia was included in the Russian Zone of Occupation. So even if Germany rebuilt after the War, Prussia and the people who ran it before the War were pretty much toast.
Although Prussia (and Germany) were 70% Protestant and in pre-War Germany, Catholics were almost entirely excluded from the command of the military and the civil service, after the War, West Germany became Catholic dominated (about 48% Catholic). Adenauer ran the country for the benefit of Catholic interests. Adenauer was the former Mayor of Cologne. That city was known as the "loyal daughter of the Catholic Church" at least from the 1300's.
Adenauer limited the EEU to include Catholic West Germany, Catholic France and Catholic Italy. He refused admission to England, Denmark, Sweden, Norway or any other major Protestant country. Adenauer despised Prussians and so Prussia was totally destroyed, mainly by collaboration of Adenauer, the US Occupation and John J. McCloy who served as US German High Commissioner and, of course, with the help of Stalin and the Soviets.
All this came to an end with the assassination of JFK. JFK had apparently had been toying with the idea of unifying, demilitarizing and neutralizing at least the central part of Gemany under the Rapacki Plan. This would have broken up Adenauer's "Black (Catholic) Front" which included only West Germany, Italy and France. Adenauer's villa where he mostly lived (and was the seat of the West German Government while he was there) was on Lake Como or Lake Maggiore in Italy.
The successor of Adenauer was Ludwig Erhard, a Protestant with a Catholic father. Where the Adenauer people viewed the Social Democrats as atheist, secular and anti-clericial, soon after the retirement of Adenauer, a coalition government was formed between the CDU and the Socialist SPD. And the EEU was expanded to include the UK and Protestant Countries.
Of course, Prussia was long dead and gone. And the rest of Europe was probably very glad about that. I haven't kept up-to-date on the situation in Germany from 1964 to date. I do know that Angela Merkel was raised in Communist East Germany and her father ran a Lutheran Seminary there whereby he earned his living. How could you have a Lutheran for-profit Seminary in Communist East Germany? Another huge lie that we were told, that Communism banned religion.
So in my way of thinking, you had the Hitler-Adenauer era from 1933 to 1963 when the Catholics were the clear top-dogs in Germany and Prussia was obliterated.
I would agree that the Nazis apparently went right on truckin' after World War II. If you read "My Life in Peace And War" by Nazi Stuka Pilot Hans-Ulrich Rudel, you realize that at least people like Rudel grew to truly love Argentina (and if you saw the recent movie Operation Finale) they apparently (in some ways) "had it made" in Argentina. They surely were not suffering in Argentina, although some like Martin Bormann were forced to live on estates on the fringe of the jungle, which was likely a come-down from Munich or Berlin. (Must have been a lot more mosquitos).
Apparently, JFK was "playing with fire" when he was messing around with German issues, Nazis and German re-unification. Of course, that is why Nazi-collaboraters like John J. McCloy and Allen Dulles were able to entirely run the Warren Commission. JFK had been messing with "their baby".
James Lateer