17-02-2012, 09:21 AM
Jan,
You said
Sorry, I misunderstood. It was your word "unscientific" which threw me off, thinking I had criticized you for questioning aspects of the case, which I knew I had not done.
The experiments on humans done by the Nazis, MKULTRA, used tools and technologies developed from scientifkic knowledge, but many of their purposes were not Humanitarian, Moral, or Ethical. The LSD story of effects on a group of unwarned villagers reminds me of our own use of the Atomic Bomb on the cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, without any warning of any kind. It was an Act of War on an enemy.
It may have been possible that some of the French politians and Intelligence/Military people were knowledgeable about this "expeiment".
In the case of Pont-St.-Esprit which occurred in 1951, I can't be sure when, but the CIA purchased pounds of LSD from Sandoz, all they had, and it may have been enough to cover the village and then some. Perhaps someone here could find out the year of purchase. We didn't want the Russians to get it.
I recalled something about Robert Heath, who put deep electrodes ito human brains, particularly schizophrenics. This probably started as an attempt on his part to find the cause of that mental disease. When he was an intern at a hospital and assigned to ambulance duty (in those days there no Emergency Mwedical Technicians at all, so doctors, interns, and residents rode on the ambulances). One night when he was on duty, a call came in about a man who had gone beserk at his home and needed to be hospitalized. It was his own father!
Adele
You said
Quote:Adele - thank you for your thoughtful answer. If you read my post as an attack on yourself and Peter, I can assure you that it was not intended as such.
Sorry, I misunderstood. It was your word "unscientific" which threw me off, thinking I had criticized you for questioning aspects of the case, which I knew I had not done.
Quote:My critique of Albarelli's hypothesis about the Pont St Esprit incident is based around the Scientific Method, and a consideration of how the Pont St Esprit events fit into the context of illegal human experimentation.
"MK-ULTRA" existed wtihin a framework of science. Its technical leaders were doctors and scientists. Men like Jolly West, Harry Harlow, Robert G Heath, George Estabrooks, Martin Orne and Ewen Cameron were world leaders in their scientific fields.
The experiments on humans done by the Nazis, MKULTRA, used tools and technologies developed from scientifkic knowledge, but many of their purposes were not Humanitarian, Moral, or Ethical. The LSD story of effects on a group of unwarned villagers reminds me of our own use of the Atomic Bomb on the cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, without any warning of any kind. It was an Act of War on an enemy.
It may have been possible that some of the French politians and Intelligence/Military people were knowledgeable about this "expeiment".
In the case of Pont-St.-Esprit which occurred in 1951, I can't be sure when, but the CIA purchased pounds of LSD from Sandoz, all they had, and it may have been enough to cover the village and then some. Perhaps someone here could find out the year of purchase. We didn't want the Russians to get it.
I recalled something about Robert Heath, who put deep electrodes ito human brains, particularly schizophrenics. This probably started as an attempt on his part to find the cause of that mental disease. When he was an intern at a hospital and assigned to ambulance duty (in those days there no Emergency Mwedical Technicians at all, so doctors, interns, and residents rode on the ambulances). One night when he was on duty, a call came in about a man who had gone beserk at his home and needed to be hospitalized. It was his own father!
Adele