"Dr. Mary's Monkey"

[Jan Klimkowski]

....Reading what you said above reminded me that once when I was researching some scientific literature I found a debate in that literature whether it was ethical to publish the work the Nazi 'scientists and doctors' did on concentration camp victims. In fact, most of it has made its way into the current literature [often not by the original 'experimenter' - although at times by them, especially when rehabilitated through Paperclip and similar], as it is considered so important scientifically/medically - this despite the ethics involved [actually the total lack of ethics!] .... As mentioned above much of the Nazi experimentation is still used - though it has been 'laundered' so to speak. Personally, I think it is unethical to publish such results - as unethical as the original 'experiments', but I'm obviously in a minority in the scientific world - or part of an unempowered majority.

I thought there was an international agreement or perhaps it was the professional bodies that decided that the findings and body of work of the Nazi and Japanese human experiments were not to be used in any future research? I am fairly certain that such a quaint idea has been abandoned in more recent time since 911 say but that was my understanding.

See my post #88 here on Hubertus Strughold.

Strughold and fellow Nazi scientists conducted terminal experiments where prisoners were exposed to extreme temperate and altitude, to test the absolute limits of human physiology.

Footage of some of those Nazi experiments survived.

In principle, the use of this "scientific data" is banned.

In reality, the Nazi Strughold was Paperclipped to the US where he became "the father of space medicine", and a key part of the NASA project.

Ultimately, the testing of human survival limits when exposed to extreme temperature or altitude does create new scientific knowledge, if the experiment is conducted within a framework of the Scientific Method.

As such it is Science.

It is a scientific experiment that many scientists would like to perform because it will increase the sum of scientific knowledge.

However, it would be both immoral and illegal to perform such experimentation.

Laws are routinely flouted by the military-industrial-intelligence complex.

So, leaving the law out of it, such scientific experimentation would also be completely immoral because there can be no informed consent to being killed in a medical experiment.