Article: How the Pentagon Broke the Deadlock over the START Treaty & Iran's Nuclear Ambitions at John Wheeler's Exp...

[Trowbridge H. Ford]

Hello Mr. Ford.

Can you provide us with evidence supporting your allegation that Savak was responsible for the death of Wheeler please?

I'm with Jan on this, as you may have seen from a post I made about this on another thread in this forum and so I would be very anxious to see how this stacks up.

Hello David Guyatt,

While you are entitled to be as suspicious of me as you want. I shall not take you seriously until you provide an example of my "mudding the waters," and the slightest bit of evidence that I am apparently an American member of the SMOM, the Sovereign Military Order of Malta.

I am never been the slightest supporter of these Catholic looneys, much less a member. In fact, I have never been a Catholic, only having taught at a Catholic College when the Jesuits were going soft on continuing the hopeless, unnecessary war in Vietnam. And I forced my early retirement from it in 1986 when Catholic youths, thanks to two ROTC units on the Holy Cross campus, were becoming real crusaders.

For my thoughts on the scum who were leading the fight, you might find my article about Al 'Deep Throat' Haig of interest:

http://codshit.blogspot.com/2004/02/how-...chard.html

Once you provide this requested material, I shall provide yours. If not, forget it.

I am not aware I have named you as being a member of SMOM?

Why would I? I don't know a thing about you other than something I read this morning that you are, apparently, a former CIC officer and a professor living in Sweden - neither of which I know to be true. Or untrue for that matter.

I also note you haven't answered my question and seem intent to deflect that question by now placing the emphasis on me to answer yours.

Very well, I have no problem with that. If you read what I said again, it states that I have a "suspicion" that you are "muddying the waters", which is only what I believe. But is just that, a suspicion, an opinion, a feeling, a sense of all not being well - that you make unwarranted statements dressed as facts that may not be supported by any evidence evidence. This is what I mean. I hope that clarifies the situation for you.

Having answered your question I wish again to ask you to answer mine. What evidence do you have that Savak was responsible for the death of Wheeler?

And allow me then to pose yet another question which further flutters my concerns about your accuracy. In an earlier Blog you wrote about the death of former CIA DCI, William Colby, under the caption:

Why America's NSA and Britain's GCHQ Spooks Had Gareth Williams Assassinated

Part 1 - background.

In this you state:

The biggest unexplained assassination, apparently by NSA group 1-3, was the killing of former DCI William Colby in April 1996. Interesting that Bamford makes no mention of him in his books because he proved the biggest problem for the eavesdropping agency, as he was the one who exposed not only its illegal spying on Americans, especially MH-Chaos, but also the plots to get rid of Castro to the Church Committee - what led President Ford to fire him.(22) The Colby murder was not a simple act of vengeance, but the removal of a most influential critic if and when NSA decided again to eavesdrop on America whatever the legal situation. Bamford got around the problems by making out that NSA was responsible to the Defense Department when it really was officially under the control of CIA. Colby's death triggered as many false claims as that of the recent killing of GCHQ/MI6 agent Gareth Williams, and apparently for the same purpose - shutting up and getting back at troublemakers.(23)

(my bolding).

The referenced footnote 23 links to Zalin Grant's essay on "Who Murdered the CIA Chief" (see: http://www.pythiapress.com/wartales/colby.htm ) which I have to say is the most meticulous investigation of Colby's death that I have ever read.

But at no point does Mr. Grant state that the killers may have been NSA. In fact, he appears to suggest that they were enemies of his, from his CIA days - possibly due to his outspokenness to the Church Committee etc. In fact, Mr. Grant makes a point of saying that Colby had testified 56 times before Congress, and:

Colby had got rid of a lot of guys in the clandestine service at CIA. *I'd talked to ex-CIA officers who hated his guts.* Even Lou Conein, one of the best-known CIA operatives in Vietnam, told me he believed Colby had destroyed the agency.* And Conein, who knew Colby for many years, liked him.* Colby had enemies coming from the Right and the Left.

Colby realized, of course, that he was in danger of being killed at any time.*

At the end of his essay, Mr. Grant states

How the Killers Got Away With It

Just as I'd thought, the killers didn't make many mistakes. The first was unavoidableKevin Akers--but with luck they got away with it.* I'd say there were from three to five of them.* Two on a boat, maybe two or three who went to his house in a car around 8:30 p.m., at nightfall.* The two in the car made Colby empty his pockets so if they were stopped he would have no ID to back up his claim that he was an ex-CIA director and these thugs were officers he'd fired. One of the men put the ladder in the water and took the life jacket.* Then they drove to the end of Rock Point Road to rendezvous with the boat.

(my bolding)

Mr. Grant's comments above makes it sound like vengeance to me - whereas you say it is not a simple act of vengeance?

So the question I have is what evidence is there linking Colby's death with the NSA other than in your mind - because the linked essay certainly does not hint at NSA involvement but rather hints at some sort of CIA responsibility?

You simply flunked the test, David, deciding that the best approach when one has no defense is to go on the offense with another request.

You added to Peter Presland's post about my article regarding the murder of John Wheeler by claiming at 07:29 PM yesterday that it may well be "purposeful muddying of the water."

You then went on to suggest that I was playing some kind of game with apparent fellow SMOM member Hans Blix: concluding, "However, having players play opposite each other even when they are actually on the same side dates back into the mists of time."

I don't like people implying that I am a covert agent, playing games with others to help promote disruptive disinformation.

I shall explain the murder of Wheeler in more detail on codshit.com, and you can do what you want with it.