24-07-2015, 01:22 AM
(This post was last modified: 24-07-2015, 02:01 AM by Tom Scully.)
Never discuss religion or politics is still solid advice. I've aroused suspicions, despite my record.
Now it is time to serve me with a litmus test. I've emphasized that it is reasonable to react as I have to Ralph Yates as a presenter of extraordinary claims, until adequately supported . His claims are in FBI reports and the inconsistencies in his claims and his inability to substantiate how he came to be located during the course of his workday, are included in the FBI reports. There is a report that he experienced a "nervous" episode a few years prior, and there is the matter of his death certificate displaying "paranoid schizophrenic" as an ongoing medical condition.
There is reasonable doubt as to Yates's claims, aggravated by his parallel mental health deterioration, but not any doubt of the other participants in this discussion. They weigh all of the details differently than I weigh them, but does this imbalance change the known facts?
An FBI report states that Yates's polygraph test was inconclusive because his responses to control questions could not be measured for the purpose of establishing a baseline in the rise and fall of his metabolic indicators.
Is it helpful that Mr. Doyle asserts that Yates "passed his polygraph" if the goal of this discussion is to attempt to discern whether or not Yates's claims about the hitch hiker he claimed he picked up, were in fact accurate. One claim was that the hitch hiker was carrying a package Yates estimated to be four to four and one-half feet in length, and Yates said he directed the hitch hiker to place it in the back of his truck, but the hitch hiker replied that he preferred to carry it and that he hopped into the cab of the truck with the package and shared that it contained curtain rods.
I try to add to any thread that I participate in. Readers can decide if what I have added to this thread is more helpful than an opinion that Yates passed his polygraph. This opinion is contradicted in an FBI report, but DC Dave writes that he interviewed Yates's widow 42 years later and she recalled an unnamed FBI agent sharing with her that Yates passed his polygraph test.
David Joseph asks in a sincere way, why I exhibit obvious hesitancy to accept that Yates's claims of his discussion details with a hitch hiker carrying a long package, supported by a conclusion of Yates's passing an FBI administered polygraph are reasonable (and accurate) claims. I view the Yates claims, and the claim that he passed his polygraph test, as extraordinary, as I view the claim that CE-399 was a "magic" bullet, or that a magic bullet passed through JFK before being the source of all of Connally's wounds.
I've studied the statements attributed to Yates and his wife in late 1963 through early 1964, and I've been able to verify every detail I picked from them that has turned into a researchable lead, including two in the poem attributed to Yates as he allegedly slipped into incoherence.
I probably know more details about Yates's mother, described by him as Bernice Gordon, than anyone who has researched this. His paternal grandmother died from cancer in 1959, as is attributed to Yates in the poem. Yates's mother was pregnant with Ralph eight months before he was born when his older brother died suddenly of unexplainable convulsions at the age of six months. Yates's paternal grandfather was recorded living in Evanston, IL in the 1940 US Census.
Maybe David, Mr. Doyle, and Mr. Scull should be asking themselves why they appear to be so incurious, yet so confident about knowing what they know.
I believe that the ordeals Mr. Bolden experienced indicate a similar impression left on me by the treatment of Frank Olson by his fellow "CIA scientists". If they abuse their own as the evidence indicates, what hope is there for any outsider who they set their sites on? I accept the claims by Bolden that can be verified through independent research, and I reserve judgment about some of the extraordinary claims he has made in which, so far, he must be taken at his word.
I try to avoid accepting anything as fact, primarily on faith, because religion and research are very different.
I try to speak truth to power. Oswald is a construct of Jerry Ford, unelected president with a secret FBI briefcase and a mobile bullet hole in JFK's back, and the other denizens of the Warren Commission and its investigative arm, the FBI, "assisted" by the CIA.
Bush eulogized Ford, specifically admonishing CT's that if Ford said that was the way it happened, presumably both Oswald, LN shooter, and CE399, we can all accept it because Ford was a man of his word.
Weeks before the assassination, I contacted the son of this man, William W. Moss, III,
The archivist, Moss's son is the news director at the Rochester newspaper. I emailed him on a Sunday to share with him that I discovered that Bush's close friend Tom Devine had spent grades K-8 in a class of 20 boys at a small private school at which Devine's father Adrian headed the school's board, with classmate, Peter Dryer. I informed this news director that this was a Rochester story because Joan Mellen interviewed Dryer's brother, Joseph for her book about DeMohrenschildt in Haiti, and Joseph Dryer disclosed that he had inside info that the secretary accompanying DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles to their meeting on 25 April, 1963 with Tom Devine, was working for the CIA. Joseph Dryer also claimed to have met with DeMohrenschildt and Charles during that same day.
The point here is that it should matter much more to Bush and to Devine whether or not Oswald had shot at Gen. Walker just 15 days before those 25 April meetings, and what Oswald's role was in the assassination of JFK, than it matters to me or to any other researcher. It is Bush who asserted in such a prominent and inappropriate setting that we must all take Jerry Ford at his word. I was never residing in the AUV society house at Phillips Andover with DeMohrenshildt's business partner Ed Hooker, or with William B Macomber, chief of staff of WC member and bonesman Sen. Cooper (R-KY) and Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller's son Godfrey Anderson, but Bush was. The history teacher's of Andover's AUV boys next job offer was writing the history of the CIA, accomplished in the 1950's and classified secret into the 1990's. Both Bush's former teacher and Bush were given unprecedented access to the CIA based on now apparant prior
experience of either Andover man.
Archivist Moss's son emailed a reply that Sunday to me stating that he could not assign an investigative reporter to write a story on the tip I shared with him because he anticipated no local interest, even a few weeks before the 50th anniversary of 22 November despite the central figures being Devine and Dryer, two alumni of the prestigious local Allendale-Columbia school, because Moss's father had seen and heard as much background detail as anyone could have, and had shared his opinion with his son that DeMohrenschildt's role had been exaggerated and that he actually had a very minor role.
The next day I shared the details above in an email to Joan Mellen and she replied that Joseph Dryer had told her that Tom Devine had been his closest friend in Rochester, but only after her book had gone to print. I relayed this new detail in a second email to Moss's son and received no response. A few months ago in reaction to learning that attorney Lopez, author of the HSCA Lopez report lived and practiced law in Rochester, I addressed an email to both Lopez and to Moss's son and suggested that they get together in Rochester because they must have plenty to talk about besides my tip about Devine and Dryer. Moss might even publish an interview of Lopez if his archivist father did not stamp out any and all curious inclination in his son.
The elder Moss was quoted in this interesting report.:
It is for you to decide, assuming the sudden inquisition by Mr. Joseph and Mr. Scull is concluded,
if I am mistaken in my approach, know too much for my own good or to fit snugly into a CT team jersey, or whether or not I am worth putting up with. I am drawn toward people who give the impression that they can impart new knowledge to me or who seem to be talented partners in collaborative research. If you view everyone as typed a loyal believer or as one of Sunstein's forum agents, consider how little thought is required for that.
I want to be in a place in which the most reliable details are welcome, and the Education Forum certainly proved not to be such a place. From the heavy investment in Remington Eddystone and Remington Bridgeport in 1914 through the formation and development of OSS and CIA devotion to the priorities of the powerful, the assassinations of the 1960's the October Surprise in 1980, Iran Contra and Kerry's "investigation", the SCOTUS coup in 2000,and the two 2004 Bones candidates covered by bonesman Dana Milbank of the WaPo, I identify a pattern and I document the presence of the same blood and S&B. Did the circle remain unbroken when Bush's AUV mate
Godfrey married Eddystone's Samuel Vauclain's granddaughter, Constance Hamilton, who Vauclain raised, or when Oliver North's "courier" Rob Owen turned out to be son of Cranston Printwork's PR man and 39 year employee Dwight Owen?
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If this response makes my bona fides suspect to the self professed keepers of the flame, you challenged me to explain myself because you know you know better than I do. Take care not to appear too similar to Simkin or Janney in reacting to my research or to how it has influenced me.
Now it is time to serve me with a litmus test. I've emphasized that it is reasonable to react as I have to Ralph Yates as a presenter of extraordinary claims, until adequately supported . His claims are in FBI reports and the inconsistencies in his claims and his inability to substantiate how he came to be located during the course of his workday, are included in the FBI reports. There is a report that he experienced a "nervous" episode a few years prior, and there is the matter of his death certificate displaying "paranoid schizophrenic" as an ongoing medical condition.
There is reasonable doubt as to Yates's claims, aggravated by his parallel mental health deterioration, but not any doubt of the other participants in this discussion. They weigh all of the details differently than I weigh them, but does this imbalance change the known facts?
An FBI report states that Yates's polygraph test was inconclusive because his responses to control questions could not be measured for the purpose of establishing a baseline in the rise and fall of his metabolic indicators.
Is it helpful that Mr. Doyle asserts that Yates "passed his polygraph" if the goal of this discussion is to attempt to discern whether or not Yates's claims about the hitch hiker he claimed he picked up, were in fact accurate. One claim was that the hitch hiker was carrying a package Yates estimated to be four to four and one-half feet in length, and Yates said he directed the hitch hiker to place it in the back of his truck, but the hitch hiker replied that he preferred to carry it and that he hopped into the cab of the truck with the package and shared that it contained curtain rods.
I try to add to any thread that I participate in. Readers can decide if what I have added to this thread is more helpful than an opinion that Yates passed his polygraph. This opinion is contradicted in an FBI report, but DC Dave writes that he interviewed Yates's widow 42 years later and she recalled an unnamed FBI agent sharing with her that Yates passed his polygraph test.
David Joseph asks in a sincere way, why I exhibit obvious hesitancy to accept that Yates's claims of his discussion details with a hitch hiker carrying a long package, supported by a conclusion of Yates's passing an FBI administered polygraph are reasonable (and accurate) claims. I view the Yates claims, and the claim that he passed his polygraph test, as extraordinary, as I view the claim that CE-399 was a "magic" bullet, or that a magic bullet passed through JFK before being the source of all of Connally's wounds.
I've studied the statements attributed to Yates and his wife in late 1963 through early 1964, and I've been able to verify every detail I picked from them that has turned into a researchable lead, including two in the poem attributed to Yates as he allegedly slipped into incoherence.
I probably know more details about Yates's mother, described by him as Bernice Gordon, than anyone who has researched this. His paternal grandmother died from cancer in 1959, as is attributed to Yates in the poem. Yates's mother was pregnant with Ralph eight months before he was born when his older brother died suddenly of unexplainable convulsions at the age of six months. Yates's paternal grandfather was recorded living in Evanston, IL in the 1940 US Census.
Maybe David, Mr. Doyle, and Mr. Scull should be asking themselves why they appear to be so incurious, yet so confident about knowing what they know.
I believe that the ordeals Mr. Bolden experienced indicate a similar impression left on me by the treatment of Frank Olson by his fellow "CIA scientists". If they abuse their own as the evidence indicates, what hope is there for any outsider who they set their sites on? I accept the claims by Bolden that can be verified through independent research, and I reserve judgment about some of the extraordinary claims he has made in which, so far, he must be taken at his word.
I try to avoid accepting anything as fact, primarily on faith, because religion and research are very different.
I try to speak truth to power. Oswald is a construct of Jerry Ford, unelected president with a secret FBI briefcase and a mobile bullet hole in JFK's back, and the other denizens of the Warren Commission and its investigative arm, the FBI, "assisted" by the CIA.
Bush eulogized Ford, specifically admonishing CT's that if Ford said that was the way it happened, presumably both Oswald, LN shooter, and CE399, we can all accept it because Ford was a man of his word.
Weeks before the assassination, I contacted the son of this man, William W. Moss, III,
Quote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_W._Moss,_III
......received a Bachelor of Arts degree in 1957. During his time in the United States Navy, he spent a year studying Chinese at the Army Language School in Monterey, California He later attended Columbia University in New York City, and studied Chinese, government, and public law there from 1963 to 1964, receiving a Master of Arts a year later.[SUP][1][/SUP] He died in 2007.[SUP][1][/SUP]
Career
Moss joined the United States Navy in 1958, and continued to serve until 1963. In 1964 he began working at the National Security Agency as an Intelligence Research Analyst in foreign language, and held this position until 1969, after which he became an Oral History Interviewer at the John F. Kennedy Library in Boston, Massachusetts. A year later, in 1970, he became the Chief of the Oral History Program. In 1972, he became the library's Senior Archivist for national security and foreign affairs materials, a position he held until 1975, when he was renamed the Chief Archivist.[SUP][1][/SUP] From 1978 to 1979 he served as president of the Oral History Association.....
The archivist, Moss's son is the news director at the Rochester newspaper. I emailed him on a Sunday to share with him that I discovered that Bush's close friend Tom Devine had spent grades K-8 in a class of 20 boys at a small private school at which Devine's father Adrian headed the school's board, with classmate, Peter Dryer. I informed this news director that this was a Rochester story because Joan Mellen interviewed Dryer's brother, Joseph for her book about DeMohrenschildt in Haiti, and Joseph Dryer disclosed that he had inside info that the secretary accompanying DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles to their meeting on 25 April, 1963 with Tom Devine, was working for the CIA. Joseph Dryer also claimed to have met with DeMohrenschildt and Charles during that same day.
The point here is that it should matter much more to Bush and to Devine whether or not Oswald had shot at Gen. Walker just 15 days before those 25 April meetings, and what Oswald's role was in the assassination of JFK, than it matters to me or to any other researcher. It is Bush who asserted in such a prominent and inappropriate setting that we must all take Jerry Ford at his word. I was never residing in the AUV society house at Phillips Andover with DeMohrenshildt's business partner Ed Hooker, or with William B Macomber, chief of staff of WC member and bonesman Sen. Cooper (R-KY) and Godfrey Stillman Rockefeller's son Godfrey Anderson, but Bush was. The history teacher's of Andover's AUV boys next job offer was writing the history of the CIA, accomplished in the 1950's and classified secret into the 1990's. Both Bush's former teacher and Bush were given unprecedented access to the CIA based on now apparant prior
experience of either Andover man.
Quote:The Central Intelligence Agency: An Instrument Of ...
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/.../central-intelligence-age...
Foreign Affairs
The late Arthur Darling, a revered teacher of history to generations of Phillips Andover boys (including George Bush), was brought in as the first official CIA ..
Archivist Moss's son emailed a reply that Sunday to me stating that he could not assign an investigative reporter to write a story on the tip I shared with him because he anticipated no local interest, even a few weeks before the 50th anniversary of 22 November despite the central figures being Devine and Dryer, two alumni of the prestigious local Allendale-Columbia school, because Moss's father had seen and heard as much background detail as anyone could have, and had shared his opinion with his son that DeMohrenschildt's role had been exaggerated and that he actually had a very minor role.
The next day I shared the details above in an email to Joan Mellen and she replied that Joseph Dryer had told her that Tom Devine had been his closest friend in Rochester, but only after her book had gone to print. I relayed this new detail in a second email to Moss's son and received no response. A few months ago in reaction to learning that attorney Lopez, author of the HSCA Lopez report lived and practiced law in Rochester, I addressed an email to both Lopez and to Moss's son and suggested that they get together in Rochester because they must have plenty to talk about besides my tip about Devine and Dryer. Moss might even publish an interview of Lopez if his archivist father did not stamp out any and all curious inclination in his son.
The elder Moss was quoted in this interesting report.:
Quote:http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-04...or-kennedy
Mystery surrounds the role of transcriber of Kennedy's secret White House tapes
April 04, 1993|By Philip Bennett,Boston Globe
.........
Mr. Dalton's role has mystified archivists who have tried to reconstruct the handling of the tapes during the 12 years that they were private propertyof the Kennedy family. Particularly, scholars have asked whether the collection, widely regarded as a unique record of the Kennedy presidency, is complete or edited.
As Mr. Dalton left the Navy, performed chores for Robert Kennedy and found work
For whom and why did he prepare transcripts in the 1960s? Did he have authority to screen or alter tapes? And why and for whom did he continue in the 1970s, according to several accounts, to remove private Kennedy records, including tapes, from a family vault in the National Archives warehouse in Waltham, Mass.?
"I always felt that the story of the tapes was incomplete because we weren't able to interview Dalton," said William W. Moss, the former chief archivist at the Kennedy Library in Boston, who wrote the library's official history
No one in a position to fill the gap seems eager to do so today. Approached at his home on a Florida golf course, Mr. Dalton, said to have become a prosperous gas station owner after leaving the Kennedys' employ, refused to discuss his work on the tapes.
In a letter to the Boston Globe, Mr. Dalton wrote: "I have no information
Senator Kennedy's chief of staff, Paul Donovan, confirmed that Mr. Dalton joined the senator's household staff in the early 1970s but added, "Mr. Dalton did not work on the tapes at the direction of Senator Kennedy."
Mr. Donovan also said: "Senator Kennedy has no specific knowledge about the tapes."......
It is for you to decide, assuming the sudden inquisition by Mr. Joseph and Mr. Scull is concluded,
if I am mistaken in my approach, know too much for my own good or to fit snugly into a CT team jersey, or whether or not I am worth putting up with. I am drawn toward people who give the impression that they can impart new knowledge to me or who seem to be talented partners in collaborative research. If you view everyone as typed a loyal believer or as one of Sunstein's forum agents, consider how little thought is required for that.
I want to be in a place in which the most reliable details are welcome, and the Education Forum certainly proved not to be such a place. From the heavy investment in Remington Eddystone and Remington Bridgeport in 1914 through the formation and development of OSS and CIA devotion to the priorities of the powerful, the assassinations of the 1960's the October Surprise in 1980, Iran Contra and Kerry's "investigation", the SCOTUS coup in 2000,and the two 2004 Bones candidates covered by bonesman Dana Milbank of the WaPo, I identify a pattern and I document the presence of the same blood and S&B. Did the circle remain unbroken when Bush's AUV mate
Godfrey married Eddystone's Samuel Vauclain's granddaughter, Constance Hamilton, who Vauclain raised, or when Oliver North's "courier" Rob Owen turned out to be son of Cranston Printwork's PR man and 39 year employee Dwight Owen?
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Quote:Eddystone Disaster Victims Monument - Find A Grave
Birth: unknown. Death: Apr. 10, 1917
Decorations still appear at this grave site today - likely brought by descendants of some of these unidentified souls. Originally, there were 52 bodies laid to rest, but there were three more bodies added later making a total of 55 buried here.
If this response makes my bona fides suspect to the self professed keepers of the flame, you challenged me to explain myself because you know you know better than I do. Take care not to appear too similar to Simkin or Janney in reacting to my research or to how it has influenced me.
Peter Janney's uncle was Frank Pace, chairman of General Dynamics who enlisted law partners Roswell Gilpatric and Luce's brother-in-law, Maurice "Tex" Moore, in a trade of 16 percent of Gen. Dyn. stock in exchange for Henry Crown and his Material Service Corp. of Chicago, headed by Byfield's Sherman Hotel group's Pat Hoy. The Crown family and partner Conrad Hilton next benefitted from TFX, at the time, the most costly military contract award in the history of the world. Obama was sponsored by the Crowns and Pritzkers. So was Albert Jenner Peter Janney has preferred to write of an imaginary CIA assassination of his surrogate mother, Mary Meyer, but not a word about his Uncle Frank.