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Please Warn Rachel Maddow
#21
Eric Norden in 1966 wrote a pretty devastating editorial in The Realist that describes liberals like Rachel Maddow, Anthony Lewis, etc.

http://www.ep.tc/realist/a-b-set/09.html

"Liberals, however, do not even possess the one virtue of most fanatics: loyalty. Libs pursue their vendettas with vicious vigor, but they are equally prepared to jettison the ostensible object of their devotion when the transcendent interests of the power structure are threatened, as in the case of the Kennedy assassination. The grief of the libs at the loss of their young champion did not extend to a dedication to uncover the truth about his death; as soon as the indicators pointed, not to a lone assassin, but a well-organized conspiracy within agencies of the federal government, including the FBI and the CIA, the liberals looked the other way. JFK could be mourned, but not avenged; too many apple-carts would be upset in the process. At the upper-level of the Liberal Establishment there was a desperate effort, conscious and cynical, to cover up all traces of conspiracy and reassure the American people that all was still for the best in the best of all possible worlds…To even entertain the suspicion that elements of this most wondrous of all governments, whether in the intelligence networks or the political police, could band together to liquidate the presiding High Brahmin, and then coolly cover up their deeds, would shake the average liberal's neat and soothing assumptions about his world to their very roots. Such things could and do happen with depressing regularity in many other countries but never, never, of course, in America. Thus, those who challenged the Establishment's version of events were extremists' with one or another different axes to grind, perhaps paranoid and at the very least victims of a conspiratorial view of history.' History is not, of course, a succession of conspiracies; what liberals conveniently forgot was that there are conspiracies in history. The world, much less America, is not the tidy design of the League of Women Voters; it can happen here. But the blood of John Kennedy was a small price to pay for the preservation of liberal delusions."
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#22
That is great.

I had no idea he wrote that in 1966. Talk about a good prognostication.

BTW, you must know that Norden was the guy who conducted the great Playboy interview with Jim Garrison.

From what I understand, as great as it was, there was some left on the cutting room floor. Man i would love to read it.

PS Are you usre that quote is from that editorial? Because I don't see it there.
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#23
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:PS Are you usre that quote is from that editorial? Because I don't see it there.

It begins on the second column of p. 5.

There's actually more to it, because he goes on to call the Warren Report the most "egregious judicial fraud in recent history", and uses one of Garrison's favorite comparisons with the Reichstag fire (did Garrison pick it up from him?).

Interesting, however, that he also quotes Oglesby earlier (p. 2) on how Kennedy, a "flaming liberal", intensified the war in Vietnam. So I guess he also helped to perpetuate The Best and the Brightest meme that became difficult to shake.
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#24
Thanks ALbert.

yes I did see that about Kennedy and the Vietnam War.


Norden does not mention NSAM 263.
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#25
You have to remember that during LBJ's presidency the public was being told every day that Johnson was only continuing Kennedy's Vietnam policies. A lot of what we now know about his true policies was not public information yet.
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#26
In that regard, in Virtual JFK, its revealed that Johnson tried to get McNamara to say that he really did not mean the stuff about announcing the thousand man withdrawal by Christmas.

LOL

Now, if you read Newman you will see that not only did Kennedy make a big deal about this but he also told McNamara that he wanted everyone out by 1965. ANd he then added, "And that means the helicopter pilots too."

In other words, LBJ was deliberately trying to distort Kennedy's record as he understood he was breaking with it. I mean does it get any worse than that?

ANd that quack Halberstam fell for it.
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#27
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:Now, if you read Newman you will see that not only did Kennedy make a big deal about this but he also told McNamara that he wanted everyone out by 1965. ANd he then added, "And that means the helicopter pilots too.".

Now that would make a great scene in a docudrama about JFK, don't you think?
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#28
yes, it would.

But I cannot imagine Rob Lowe saying it.
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#29
In the book McNamara writes, ""I think it is highly probable that, had President Kennedy lived, he would have pulled us out of Vietnam... I think he would have come to that conclusion even if he reasoned, as I believe he would have, that South Vietnam and, ultimately, Southeast Asia would then be lost to communism. .. Kennedy would have agreed that withdrawal would cause a fall of the "dominoes' but that staying in would ultimately lead to the same result, while exacting a terrible price in blood... So I conclude that John Kennedy would have eventually gotten out of Vietnam rather than move more deeply in.''

Was Vietnam Jfk's War?

Oct 20, 1996 8:00 PM EDT

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/19...s-war.html


McNamara explains in his book that at a ""very important'' National Security Council meeting on Oct. 2, 1963, President Kennedy made three decisions: (1) to completely withdraw all U.S. forces from Vietnam by Dec. 31, 1965; (2) to withdraw 1,000 U.S. troops by the end of 1963 to begin the process; and (3) to make a public announcement, in order to put this decision ""in concrete.''
~ ~ ~

After the Oct. 2 meeting, Kennedy asked McNamara to issue these recommendations as a ""report'' from himself as secretary of defense along with Gen. Maxwell Taylor. McNamara made the announcement personally from the steps of the White House. As he headed off to face the reporters, JFK yelled after him, ""And tell them that means all of the helicopter pilots, too.''

Phil's note: A modest proposal: Resolved: that Oliver Stone will direct a screen adaption of James Douglass' JFK and the Unspeakable. The technical advisory horse power available is staggering.

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#30
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:ANd that quack Halberstam fell for it.




And don't forget that SOB Caro who made sure the table was nice and set for Johnson.
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