The Head Wounds Revisited

[Mike Crane]

Great thread.I`d like to see it continue.

[David Josephs]

In Best Evidence... Lifton speaks with McHugh who tells him that when the forehead was put back in place you could hardly tell anything was wrong from the front...
that it just fits back into place....

From the xrays it appears that someone split open the top of the skull right at the coronal suture...
Reed tells us Humes saws across the forehead...

A: Well, after about 20 minutes, Commander Humes took out a saw, and started to cut the forehead with the bone - with the saw. Mechanical saw. Circular, small, mechanical - almost like a cast saw, but it's made -….


This creates the removeable bone... Yet as Humes starts to saw, Reed/Robinson are asked to leave the morgue for the rest of the night.
P.59 of his ARRB states they left the morgue and did not return, did not see JFK or the brain or the Y incision....

Everything xray and observation Reed did was between 6:45 and 8pm.

DJ

[Mike Crane]

Wasn`t there two black gentlemen that also saw this "preliminary examination"?

Were their names ever discovered?

[David Josephs]

Wasn`t there two black gentlemen that also saw this "preliminary examination"?

Were their names ever discovered?

There were porters who cleaned the ER AFTERWARD... but no black men in the morgue during this time... at least not to my knowledge...

DJ

[Mike Crane]

If I remember correctly David,it was brought to the attention of the ARRB.Possibly by a relative or maybe even a friend.

I wish that I could remember who stated it.

[Albert Rossi]

If I remember correctly David,it was brought to the attention of the ARRB.Possibly by a relative or maybe even a friend.

I wish that I could remember who stated it.

Mike, is this what you are thinking of? From V. Palamara, THE JFK MEDICAL REFERENCE, pt IV (2006):

254)-255) Janie B. Taylor, biologist at the National Institute of Health (NIH), across the street from Bethesda Naval Hospital, and [fnu] Israel, one of 2 African-American orderlies allegedly present during the autopsy: a) 11/24/95 ARRB interview of Taylor [see also "High Treason III" (1998), pp. 439, 492-493]--- "A man named Clarence Israel (deceased) of Rockville, MD told Taylor that his brother (deceasd and no name given) was one of two African- American orderlies present in the autopsy room of the Medical Center the day of the autopsy. Israel said his brother had not mentioned the story to anyone in- cluding his wife & daughter who his brother outlived. His brother wanted to insure that his story was known because he was verbally threatened by a guard at the time of the autopsy. Taylor said that African-Americans during that time period were often ignored and that non-African-American workers in many workplaces would assume that an African-American's presence did not count. She believed that activities were often done in their presence with the perception that the activities would never be reported. Israel told her the orderlies saw one doctor was in the autopsy room at the Medical Center who was waiting for some time prior to the arrival of the body and any other physicians. When the body arrived, many people were forced out of the room and the doctor performed some type of mutilation of three bullet punctures to the head area. The doctor was working at a very "hurried" pace and was done within a few minutes, at which point he left the autopsy room. " [see Dr. Michael Miller, below];

[Mike Crane]

Absolutely Albert!

I was unable to locate where I read it.

Appreciate that partner,thank you.

[Bernice Moore]

Here is a copy of the Israel document fwiw...b

[David Josephs]

I have revisited Horne and Lifton's work on the subject...

When the body was first unwrapped in the morgue at 6:40 Humes, Boswell, KENNEY, and Ebersole where present if I am remembering correctly...
(Ebersole is key to some of the xray alteration work)

If what they are saying is true, this "team" has until about 7:45 when Robinson is told they are moving the autopsy to another room yet they never showed up.
(When they were moving the body to the large casket in the back of "A" navy ambulance.... not necessarily THE ambulance that arrived with Jackie.)

So "they" have about an hour to leave the brain in a condition described as "falling out of the skull into Humes' hands - no cutting was required"
"They" removed most of the right frontal lobe to conceal bullet traces and completely descroyed the skull and underlying structure.

Dr George Bakeman remains a mystery
Humes and Boswell were described as not doing surgical procedures in the 12-18 months prior to 11/22 and NEVER being in the morgue.
Kenney ??

The Israel story does not name who the doctor was, nor if he comes back and is seen throughout the rest of the procedures....


Who had the chops to perform that surgery... or was the result so bad that Humes remains the likely candidate?

DJ

[Daniel Gallup]

I have revisited Horne and Lifton's work on the subject...

When the body was first unwrapped in the morgue at 6:40 Humes, Boswell, KENNEY, and Ebersole where present if I am remembering correctly...
(Ebersole is key to some of the xray alteration work)

If what they are saying is true, this "team" has until about 7:45 when Robinson is told they are moving the autopsy to another room yet they never showed up.
(When they were moving the body to the large casket in the back of "A" navy ambulance.... not necessarily THE ambulance that arrived with Jackie.)

So "they" have about an hour to leave the brain in a condition described as "falling out of the skull into Humes' hands - no cutting was required"
"They" removed most of the right frontal lobe to conceal bullet traces and completely descroyed the skull and underlying structure.

Dr George Bakeman remains a mystery
Humes and Boswell were described as not doing surgical procedures in the 12-18 months prior to 11/22 and NEVER being in the morgue.
Kenney ??

The Israel story does not name who the doctor was, nor if he comes back and is seen throughout the rest of the procedures....


Who had the chops to perform that surgery... or was the result so bad that Humes remains the likely candidate?

DJ

Another piece of the puzzle would be Paul O'Connor. He is a witness to the body bag, the shipping casket, and an empty cranial vault. His estimation of the size of the head wound was 4" by 8" and the bones of the skull were broken up, clearly not the wound seen at Parkland, where the head was wrapped precisely to prevent any further movement of bone through transport. Although he put the time at 8:00 p.m. it had to be earlier. Let us assume the Dallas casket was introduced into the morgue with the FBI around 7:17. The body had to be back in the casket no later than 7:45 because by 7:50, or thereabouts, the Navy ambulance is reunited with the casket team. My question: when did O'Connor really see the casket opening? Were the brutal alterations of the head done at Bethesda itself, say, between 6:40 and 7:15? By the time the shipping casket is opened, the alterations have already occurred. I'll have to go back and read relevant portions of Best Evidence and Horne. I'm forgetful of some of the testimony.