Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Deep Politics Quotes
#1
Some of my favorites I could remember at the moment. Post your own.


"You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security." - Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra, March 2001

"…our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society… We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line … I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dream world America I once believed in … Huey Long once said, "Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism." I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security." - Jim Garrison, interview with Playboy magazine, October 1967

"Every government is run by liars and nothing they say should be believed." I.F. Stone

"Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship…Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - Herman Goering, 1946

"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." - Michael Rivero

"...the easy acceptance of atrocities as a deplorable but necessary price to pay for progress (Hiroshima and Vietnam, to save Western civilization; Kronstadt and Hungary, to save socialism; nuclear proliferation, to save us all)...is still with us…The pretense is that there really is such a thing as 'the United States,' subject to occasional conflicts and quarrels, but fundamentally a community of people with common interests...Nations are not communities and never have been...And in such a world of conflict, a world of victims and executioners, it is the job of thinking people...not to be on the side of the executioners." Howard Zinn

"There were in fact two John Kennedys. One presided in the first two years under pressure of the uncertainty caused by his razor-thin margin of victory. In 1963, a new Kennedy had emerged...He was, at his death, undergoing a transformation from a hesitant leader with unsure goals to a strong figure with deeply appealing objectives." (Martin Luther King, The Promise Revisited)

Gore Vidal: "For the last 40 or 50 years it's always been a Lee Harvey Oswald. If anybody gets assassinated, it's a lone crazed killer, communist, lone crazed killer. These murders have almost always been plots, but Oh no, you're not a conspiracy theorist! You must believe in flying saucers.' Well, everything in the United States is a conspiracy, haven't we figured that out yet? Whether it's the tobacco companies, saying smoke Lucky Strikes and then you'll be healthy. I mean, everyone conspires to cheat the people, conspires to seize power. What is a political party, but a conspiracy to seize the power of the state? Any child can work that one out."

"[There exists] a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of the national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself."
- Sen. Daniel Inouye in 1987 referring to the Iran-Contra operations

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole...There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act...this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so...The associations between Wall Street and the Left...are really survivals of the associations between the Morgan Bank and the Left. To Morgan all political parties were simply organizations to be used..." Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

"We are slaves in the sense that we depend for our daily survival upon an expand-or-expire agro-industrial empirea crackpot machinethat the specialists cannot comprehend and the managers cannot manage. Which is, furthermore, devouring world resources at an exponential rate. We are, most of us, dependent employees." Edward Abbey, 1927-1989

"We live in a world ruled by fictions of every kind - mass merchandising, advertising, politics conducted as a branch of advertising, the instant translation of science and technology into popular imagery, the increasing blurring and intermingling of identities within the realm of consumer goods, the preempting of any free or original imaginative response to experience by the television screen. We live inside an enormous novel. For the writer in particular it is less and less necessary for him to invent the fictional content of his novel. The fiction is already there. The writer's task is to invent the reality." - J.G. Ballard

"You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it! Is that clear?! Do you think you've merely stopped a business deal? That is not the case. The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity! It is ecological balance! You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multi-variate, multi-national dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and sub-atomic and galactic structure of things today! And you have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and You Will Atone! Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale? You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today. What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do. We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable by-laws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused. And I have chosen you, Mr. Beale, to preach this evangel. … Because you're on television, dummy." Ned Beatty speech in the film Network

Our enormously productive economy...demands that we make consumption our way of life, that we convert the buying and use of goods into rituals, that we seek our spiritual satisfaction, our ego satisfaction, in consumption...We need things consumed, burned up, worn out, replaced, and discarded at an ever increasing rate. -Victor Lebow, retailing analyst quoted by Vance Packard in The Waste Makers, 1960

"If we had met five years ago, you wouldn't have found a more staunch defender of the newspaper industry than me ... I was winning awards, getting raises, lecturing college classes, appearing on TV shows, and judging journalism contests. So how could I possibly agree with people like Noam Chomsky and Ben Bagdikian, who were claiming the system didn't work, that it was steered by powerful special interests and corporations, and existed to protect the power elite? And then I wrote some stories that made me realize how sadly misplaced my bliss had been. The reason I'd enjoyed such smooth sailing for so long hadn't been, as I'd assumed, because I was careful and diligent and good at my job ... The truth was that, in all those years, I hadn't written anything important enough to suppress..." journalist Gary Webb

As businessmen caught a glimpse of the potentialities inherent in endlessly expanding the wants of people under consumerism, forced draft or otherwise, many began to see blue skies… What was needed was strategies that would make Americans in large numbers into voracious, wasteful, compulsive consumersand strategies that would provide products assuring such wastefulness. Even where wastefulness was not involved, additional strategies were needed that would induce the public to consume at ever-higher levels. -Vance Packard, The Waste Makers, 1960
Reply
#2
A wonderful selection there Tracy!
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
Reply
#3
Yup - great stuff Tracy.

Here are a few more offerings which spring the trap door sending The Fool plummetting into the deep political chasm....

Quote:'It became necessary to destroy the town to save it', a United States major said today. He was talking about the decision by allied commanders to bomb and shell the town regardless of civilian casualties, to rout the Vietcong.'
Attributed by reporter Peter Arnett to a US Major at Ben Tre.


Quote:John Choon Yoo (born July 10, 1967)[4] is an American attorney, law professor, and author. He served as a political appointee, the Deputy Assistant U.S. Attorney General in the Office of Legal Counsel, Department of Justice (OLC), during the George W. Bush administration.

"What about ordering a village of resistants to be massacred? ... Is that a power that the president could legally -"
"Yeah," Yoo replied, according to a partial transcript included in the report. "Although, let me say this: So, certainly, that would fall within the commander-in-chief's power over tactical decisions."
"To order a village of civilians to be [exterminated]?" the OPR investigator asked again.
"Sure," said Yoo.

Which only demonstrates that the military-multinational-intelligence complex squeezes out the likes of Yoo every time it takes a shit.

Quote:"We're going to bomb them back to the Stone Age."
General Curtis LeMay talking of North Vietnam in his 1965 autobiography.

Quote:"Richard Armitage added to what Colin Powell had said to me and told the director general (of ISI) not only that we had to decide whether we were with America or with the terrorists, but that if we chose the terrorists, then we should be prepared to be bombed back to the Stone Age."
President Pervez Musharraf, In the Line of Fire: A Memoir about events in 2001.

Which only demonstrates that the military-multinational-intelligence complex squeezes out the likes of Armitage every time it takes a shit.

Quote:The CIA's use of UK airports was first reported by the Guardian in September 2005. Jack Straw, the then foreign secretary, dismissed the evidence, telling MPs in December that year that "unless we all start to believe in conspiracy theories and that the officials are lying, that I am lying, that behind this there is some kind of secret state which is in league with some dark forces in the United States … there simply is no truth in the claims that the United Kingdom has been involved in rendition."

Quote:'Careful research by officials has been unable to identify any occasions since 11 September 2001, or earlier in the Bush Administration, when we received a request for permission by the United States for a rendition through UK territory or airspace, nor are we otherwise aware of such a case.'
Prime Minister Tony Blair in Paliament, December 2005

Mr Blair: I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that anything illegal has been happening here at all, and I am not going to start ordering inquiries into this, that and the next thing, when I have got no evidence to show whether this is right or not. And I honestly, it is like all this stuff about camps in Europe or something, I don't know, I have never heard of such a thing, I can't tell you whether such a thing exists.
Press Conference, December 2005

Evidence gathered by The Rendition Project an interactive website that maps thousands of rendition flights highlight 1,622 flights in and out of the UK by aircraft now known to have been involved in the agency's secret kidnap and detention programme.

Some 51 different UK airports were used by 84 different aircraft that have been linked by researchers to the rendition programme. Only the US and Canada were visited more frequently. The most used UK airport was Luton, followed by Glasgow Prestwick and Stansted. There were also flights in and out of RAF Northolt and RAF Brize Norton.

Which only demonstrates that ......
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
Reply
#4
Asked one day by VP George Bush how his POW investigation was going, Ross Perot snapped "Well, George, I go in looking for prisoners, but I spend all my time discovering the government has been moving drugs around the world and is involved in arms deals… I can't get at the prisoners because of the corruption among our own covert people."

"You do not have to be a CIA-hater to trek around the world viewing one major narcotics group after another and grow amazed at the frequency with which you encounter the still-fresh footprints of American intelligence agents." - John Mills, The Underground Empire

"If you are an American reading this, let me ask you: aren't you tired of it all? The endless pressure and anxiety, the awful atmosphere at work (that's if you can get work), the constant one-upsmanship that passes for friendship or social relations, the lack of community or of any meaningful connection with your neighbors." Morris Berman

"No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine" William Blum, Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower

"In my twelve years of case officering I never saw or heard of a situation in which the KGB attacked or obstructed a CIA operation…In fact CIA and KGB officers entertain each other frequently in their homes. The CIA's files are full of mention of such relationships in almost every African station." - John Stockwell, In Search of Enemies

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents." Marine Corps Maj. General Smedley Butler, 1935

"Before the Freedom of Information Act, I used to say at meetings, The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer.' [laughter] But since the Freedom of Information Act, I'm afraid to say things like that." Henry Kissinger to Turkey's Foreign Minister, 1975

"Solitary maniacs who assassinate Presidents are a national tradition. The idea of a conspiracy, so logical to European minds, was alien to Americans. Then too, if even one more suspect was uncovered the whole ghastly matter would have to be reopened with unpredictable consequences. No one wanted that. It was much better all around to accept the Warren Report...For all its bulk, the report was a sloppy piece of work, carelessly researched and based on a priori judgements...Evidence that cast doubt on the single-killer hypothesis was ignored, so was material pointing to other possibilities...There was no proof that Oswald was such a marksman, considerable evidence that he was a poor shot, yet the Commission insisted that he was expert and the shot itself an easy one...There was much reason to doubt [the single-bullet theory], little to believe it, yet the Commission clung to it desperately." - William L. O'Neill, Professor of History at Rutgers University, in his history of the Sixties, Coming Apart (1971)

"An official investigating commission, headed by Chief Justice Warren, found that the President had been shot by a solitary psychotic, like Lincoln and McKinley before him; but it tortured the evidence to arrive at this conclusion. It seems more likely that the assassination was the work of a small-time, semi-criminal, semi-political conspiracy, but the truth has never been satisfactorily established. Whatever it may be, the event was a reminder of all the ugly, chaotic forces in American life..." - Hugh Brogan, British historian and author, The Penguin History of the United States of America (1985)

"All the good young reporters and public officials who mistakenly swallowed the official FBI-CIA line on the assassination 30 years ago have been waiting all this time for someone to relieve them of the self-doubt they are too smart not to have suffered under." - Jonathan Kwitny on the media reaction to Posner's Case Closed.

"The Vietnam War is getting worse. The US army communiques about recent victories sound eerily identical to the French news I heard as a child. They speak of police operations,' of routine rounding-up of suspects, of mounting casualties among the rebels,' of their imminent defeat." (Jacques Vallee diary entry, Feb 1965, Forbidden Science)

"You read, you're televised to, you're radioed to, you're preached to, that it is necessary that we have our armed forces fight, get killed and maimed, and kill and maim other human beings including women and children because now is the time we must stop some kind of unwanted ideology from creeping up on this nation. The place we chose to do this is 8000 miles away...I don't think the whole of South East Asia, as related to the present and future safety and freedom of the people of this country, is worth the life or limb of a single American. I believe that if we had and would keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-crooked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own." - Retired Gen. David M. Shoup, former Marine Corps Commandant, Feb 20 1967

"Republican or Democrat, this nation's affluent urban and suburban classes understand their bread is buttered on the corporate side. The primary difference between the two parties is that the Republicans pretty much admit that they grasp and even endorse some of the nastiest facts of life in America. Republicans honestly tell the world: "Listen in on my phone calls, piss-test me until I'm blind, kill and eat all of my neighbors right in front of my eyes, but show me the money! Let me escape with every cent I can kick out of the suckers, the taxpayers, and anybody else I can get a headlock on, legally or otherwise." Democrats, in contrast, seem content to catalog the GOP's outrages against the Republic, showing proper indignation while laughing at episodes of The Daily Show. But they stand behind the American brand: imperialism. They "support our troops," though you will be hard put to find any of them who have served alongside them or who would send one of their own kids off to lose an eye or an arm in Iraq. They play the imperial game, maintain their credit ratings, and plan to keep the beach house and the retirement investments if it means sacrificing every damned Lynndie England in West Virginia." ― Joe Bageant, Deer Hunting with Jesus: Dispatches from America's Class War
Reply
#5
On the other hand, when we examine into the details supplied to us as to the progress of the affair, we find that much of what the conspirators are said to have done is well-nigh incredible, while it is utterly impossible that if they really acted in the manner described, the public authorities should not have had full knowledge of their proceedings. We also find not only that the same authorities, while feigning ignorance of anything of the kind, were perfectly well aware that these very conspirators had something in hand...

These are, in brief, some of the considerations which point to a conclusion utterly at variance with the received version of the story, the conclusion, namely, that, for purposes of State, the government of the day either found means to instigate the conspirators to undertake their enterprise, or, at least, being, from an early stage of the undertaking, fully aware of what was going on, sedulously nursed the insane scheme till the time came to make capital out of it.'

What was the Gunpowder Plot?, by John Gerard, London 1897

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34807/348...4807-h.htm
Reply
#6
Quote: Colonel: Marine, what is that button on your body armor?
Private Joker: A peace symbol, sir!
Colonel: Where'd you get it?
Private Joker: I don't remember, sir!
Colonel: What is that you've got written on your helmet?
Private Joker: "Born to kill," sir!
Colonel: You write "Born to kill" on your helmet, and you wear a peace button. What's that supposed to be, some kind of sick joke?
Private Joker: No, sir!
Colonel: What is it supposed to mean?
Private Joker: I don't know, sir!
Colonel: You don't know very much, do you?
Private Joker: No, sir!
Colonel: You better get your head and your ass wired together, or I will take a giant shit on you!
Private Joker: Yes, sir!
Colonel: Now answer my question or you'll be standing tall before the man!
Private Joker: I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man, sir!
Colonel: The what?
Private Joker: The duality of man. The Jungian thing, sir!
Colonel: Whose side are you on, son?
Private Joker: Our side, sir!
Colonel: Don't you love your country?
Private Joker: Yes, sir!
Colonel: Then how bout getting with the program? Why don't you jump on the team and come on in for the big win?
Private Joker: Yes, sir!
Colonel: Son, all I've ever asked of my Marines is for them to obey my orders as they would the word of God. We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every gook there is an American trying to get out. It's a hard-ball world, son. We've gotta try to keep our heads until this peace craze blows over!
Private Joker: [Salutes] Aye-aye, sir!

For a discussion of the missing scenes from Full Metal Jacket, see here.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
Reply
#7
They made a wasteland and called it peace - Tacitus.
Reply
#8
Malcolm Pryce Wrote:They made a wasteland and called it peace - Tacitus.

Which is a precursor, in the Borgesian sense, of:

'It became necessary to destroy the town to save it'
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
Reply
#9
Our armies do not come into your cities and lands as conquerors or enemies, but
as liberators. General F.S. Maude, commander of British forces in Iraq, 1917

Some explanations of a crime are not explanations: they're part of the crime.
-- Olavo de Cavarlho

Who ordained that the few should have the land as a prerequisite; who made 10,000 people owners of the soil and the rest of us trespassers in the land of our birth?
David Lloyd George

Government is the Entertainment Division of the military-industrial
ComplexFrank Zappa
Reply
#10
Billy Byars Jr., son of Texas oilman Billy Byars Sr. (close friend of J. Edgar Hoover), says he once asked Hoover about the assassination. "I asked him, 'Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald did it?' And he stopped and he looked at me for quite a long time. Then he said, 'If I told you what I really know, it would be very dangerous to this country. Our whole political system could be disrupted.' That's all he said, and I could see he wasn't about to say any more." (Summers, Official and Confidential)
Reply


Possibly Related Threads…
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Center for Deep Political Research Ivan De Mey 1 7,069 22-07-2018, 01:24 PM
Last Post: Magda Hassan
  Deep Political seepage from the deep on Sandy Hook massacre Peter Lemkin 35 32,051 08-01-2016, 07:15 PM
Last Post: Drew Phipps
  How did people discover the Deep Politics Forum? Myra Bronstein 13 8,593 13-08-2010, 04:51 PM
Last Post: Keith Millea
  retirement age in politics? Rohan Glad 1 3,707 25-11-2008, 12:52 PM
Last Post: Dawn Meredith

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)