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Thousands March in Egyptian Capital Calling for President’s Ouster
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Fisk asks the only question:

Quote:When is a Military Coup Not a Military Coup?
Because if it is a coup the US cannot give them any $s. They still desperately want to give them $s because they are very good and strong strings to control what happens there....
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

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Magda Hassan Wrote:
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Fisk asks the only question:

Quote:When is a Military Coup Not a Military Coup?
Because if it is a coup the US cannot give them any $s. They still desperately want to give them $s because they are very good and strong strings to control what happens there....

Yes.

And....

Q: When is a Terrorist not a Terrorist?

Ans: When he's furthering our Strategy of Tension.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
Magda Hassan Wrote:
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Fisk asks the only question:

Quote:When is a Military Coup Not a Military Coup?
Because if it is a coup the US cannot give them any $s. They still desperately want to give them $s because they are very good and strong strings to control what happens there....

Yes.

And....

Q: When is a Terrorist not a Terrorist?

Ans: When he's furthering our Strategy of Tension.

Surely you must mean "Bringing Freedom and Democracy to the Middle East"?
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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By BEN HUBBARD and DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: July 10, 2013
As crime and traffic worsened under President Mohamed Morsi, the police refused to respond, hurting the quality of life and the economy. Since his ouster last week, officers have returned to patrols.
CAIRO The streets seethe with protests and government ministers are on the run or in jail, but since the military ousted President Mohamed Morsi, life has somehow gotten better for many people across Egypt: Gas lines have disappeared, power cuts have stopped and the police have returned to the street.



The apparently miraculous end to the crippling energy shortages, and the re-emergence of the police, seems to show that the legions of personnel left in place after former President Hosni Mubarak was ousted in 2011 played a significant role intentionally or not in undermining the overall quality of life under the Islamist administration of Mr. Morsi.

And as the interim government struggles to unite a divided nation, the Muslim Brotherhood and Mr. Morsi's supporters say the sudden turnaround proves that their opponents conspired to make Mr. Morsi fail. Not only did police officers seem to disappear, but the state agencies responsible for providing electricity and ensuring gas supplies failed so fundamentally that gas lines and rolling blackouts fed widespread anger and frustration.
"This was preparing for the coup," said Naser el-Farash, who served as the spokesman for the Ministry of Supply and Internal Trade under Mr. Morsi. "Different circles in the state, from the storage facilities to the cars that transport petrol products to the gas stations, all participated in creating the crisis."
Working behind the scenes, members of the old establishment, some of them close to Mr. Mubarak and the country's top generals, also helped finance, advise and organize those determined to topple the Islamist leadership, including Naguib Sawiris, a billionaire and an outspoken foe of the Brotherhood; Tahani El-Gebali, a former judge on the Supreme Constitutional Court who is close to the ruling generals; and Shawki al-Sayed, a legal adviser to Ahmed Shafik, Mr. Mubarak's last prime minister, who lost the presidential race to Mr. Morsi.
But it is the police returning to the streets that offers the most blatant sign that the institutions once loyal to Mr. Mubarak held back while Mr. Morsi was in power. Throughout his one-year tenure, Mr. Morsi struggled to appease the police, even alienating his own supporters rather than trying to overhaul the Interior Ministry. But as crime increased and traffic clogged roads undermining not only the quality of life, but the economy the police refused to deploy fully.
Until now.
White-clad officers have returned to Cairo's streets, and security forces widely despised before and after the revolution intervened with tear gas and shotguns against Islamists during widespread street clashes last week, leading anti-Morsi rioters to laud them as heroes. Posters have gone up around town showing a police officer surrounded by smiling children over the words "Your security is our mission, your safety our goal."
"You had officers and individuals who were working under a specific policy that was against Islamic extremists and Islamists in general," said Ihab Youssef, a retired police officer who runs a professional association for the security forces. "Then all of a sudden the regime flips and there is an Islamic regime ruling. They could never psychologically accept that."
When Mr. Mubarak was removed after nearly 30 years in office in 2011, the bureaucracy he built stayed largely in place. Many business leaders, also a pillar of the old government, retained their wealth and influence.
Despite coming to power through the freest elections in Egyptian history, Mr. Morsi was unable to extend his authority over the sprawling state apparatus, and his allies complained that what they called the "deep state" was undermining their efforts at governing.
While he failed to broaden his appeal and build any kind of national consensus, he also faced an active campaign by those hostile to his leadership, including some of the wealthiest and most powerful pillars of the Mubarak era.
Mr. Sawiris, one of Egypt's richest men and a titan of the old establishment, said Wednesday that he had supported an upstart group called "tamarrod," Arabic for "rebellion," that led a petition drive seeking Mr. Morsi's ouster. He donated use of the nationwide offices and infrastructure of the political party he built, the Free Egyptians. He provided publicity through his popular television network and his major interest in Egypt's largest private newspaper. He even commissioned the production of a popular music videothat played heavily on his network.
"Tamarrod did not even know it was me!" he said. "I am not ashamed of it."
He said he had publicly predicted that ousting Mr. Morsi would bolster Egypt's sputtering economy because it would bring in billions of dollars in aid from oil-rich monarchies afraid that the Islamist movement might spread to their shores. By Wednesday, a total of $12 billion had flowed in from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait. "That will take us for 12 months with no problem," Mr. Sawiris said.
Ms. Gebali, the former judge, said in a telephone interview on Wednesday that she and other legal experts helped tamarrod create its strategy to appeal directly to the military to oust Mr. Morsi and pass the interim presidency to Hazem el-Beblawi, a former chief of the constitutional court.
"We saw that there was movement and popular creativity, so we wanted to see if it would have an effect and a constitutional basis," Ms. Gebali said.


Mr. Farash, the trade ministry spokesman under Mr. Morsi, attributed the fuel shortages to black marketers linked to Mr. Mubarak, who diverted shipments of state-subsidized fuel to sell for a profit abroad. Corrupt officials torpedoed Mr. Morsi's introduction of a smart card system to track fuel shipments by refusing to use the devices, he said
.



But not everyone agreed with that interpretation, as supporters of the interim government said the improvements in recent days were a reflection of Mr. Morsi's incompetence, not a conspiracy. State news media said energy shortages occurred because consumers bought extra fuel out of fear, which appeared to evaporate after Mr. Morsi's fall. On Wednesday, Al Ahram, the flagship newspaper, said the energy grid had had a surplus in the past week for the first time in months, thanks to "energy-saving measures by the public."

"I feel like Egypt is back," Ayman Abdel-Hakam, a criminal court judge from a Cairo suburb, said after waiting only a few minutes to fill up his car at a downtown gas station. He accused Mr. Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood of trying to seize all state power and accused them of creating the fuel crisis by exporting gasoline to Hamas, the militant Islamic group in the Gaza Strip.
"We had a disease, and we got rid of it," Mr. Abdel-Hakam said.
Ahmed Nabawi, a gas station manager, said he had heard several reasons for the gas crisis: technical glitches at a storage facility, a shipment of low-quality gas from abroad and unnecessary stockpiling by the public. Still, he was amazed at how quickly the crisis disappeared.
"We went to sleep one night, woke up the next day, and the crisis was gone," he said, casually sipping tea in his office with his colleagues.
Regardless of the reasons behind the crisis, he said, Mr. Morsi's rule had not helped.
"No one wanted to cooperate with his people because they didn't accept him," he said. "Now that he is gone, they are working like they're supposed to."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/world/...ted=1&_r=0

"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Fisk asks the only question:

Quote:When is a Military Coup Not a Military Coup?
Because if it is a coup the US cannot give them any $s. They still desperately want to give them $s because they are very good and strong strings to control what happens there....
And the answer is:
Quote:Egypt unrest: US to go ahead with F-16 jets delivery

The US is going ahead with plans to deliver four F-16 fighter jets to Egypt despite the political unrest in the country, senior American officials say.
This comes as Washington is continuing to evaluate last week's overthrow of President Mohammed Morsi by the army.
US massive military aid to Cairo would have to be cut by law if the removal of the Islamist leader is determined by Washington to have been a coup.
The Muslim Brotherhood, which backs Mr Morsi, is demanding his reinstatement.
Its supporters have been staging mass protests near Cairo's barracks, where he is believed to be being held. On Monday, more than 50 Brotherhood loyalists were killed in clashes with the army.
'In US interests'The US officials say Washington will deliver four F-16 fighter jets in the next few weeks.
They are part of an already agreed bigger order of 20 planes - eight of which were sent to Egypt in January. The final eight are expected to be shipped later this year.

White House spokesman Jay Carney on Wednesday reiterated that it would not be "in the best interests of the United States to make immediate changes to our assistance programmes".
He added that the administration would take its time to consider the implications of removing Mr Morsi from power.
US military aid to Egypt is estimated to be $1.3bn (£860m) each year.
President Barack Obama has been careful not to use the word "coup" in relation to the recent events in Egypt to avoid triggering a legal cut-off of aid, the BBC's Katy Watson in Washington reports.
'Strong condemnation'An Egyptian foreign ministry spokesman has said Mr Morsi is being held in a "safe place" and treated in a "very dignified manner".
Meanwhile, arrest warrants have been issued for the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohamed Badie, and nine senior figures.
They are charged with inciting Monday's deadly violence in the capital.
There are conflicting reports about what happened during the protest outside the Presidential Guard barracks, when more than 50 Brotherhood supporters were killed, as well as a soldier and two policemen.
The Brotherhood says the army fired on peaceful demonstrators and is accusing the interim authorities of a cover up. The military, however, say they acted in self-defence after being attack by armed assailants.
Many Brotherhood members are already in detention and warrants are said to have been been issued for hundreds more.
Continue reading the main story
The new arrest warrants could scupper any attempts to persuade the Brotherhood to participate in the transitional political process, analysts say.
There is a feeling among the protesters that they have returned to the situation they were in under former President Hosni Mubarak, when the movement was banned and its members hunted down, our correspondent adds.
The timetable for new elections, announced in a constitutional declaration by interim President Adly Mansour on Monday evening, laid out plans to set up a panel to amend the suspended constitution within 15 days.
The changes would then be put to a referendum - to be organised within four months - which would pave the way for parliamentary elections, possibly in early 2014.
Once the new parliament convenes, elections would be called to appoint a new president.
However, the Brotherhood's political wing, the Freedom and Justice Party, and main liberal National Salvation Front opposition coalition and the grassroots Tamarod protest movement have all rejected the transition plan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-e...WEET817627
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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Quote:US to go ahead with F-16 jets delivery

Where's Tony Blair?

I'm sure he could spout some complete shite about how this furthers the cause of democracy..
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
Quote:US to go ahead with F-16 jets delivery

Where's Tony Blair?

I'm sure he could spout some complete shite about how this furthers the cause of democracy..
Tony Bliar is nowhere to be found, an improvement in being in our faces on the TV actually, but they have wheeled out some one just as odious in a wheel barrow pushed by the equally odious tool Christine Amanpour:
Quote:By Mick Krever, CNNWill Egypt get a second chance at democracy?
That's what the world is asking, a week after Egypt's military forced President Mohamed Morsy from office, after a year of what the opposition called tyrannical governance.
"Second chances are rare in any country," U.S. Deputy Secretary of State William Burns said in Cairo on Monday, after meeting with the interim leader, Adly Mansour.
Speaking with CNN's Christiane Amanpour, Frank Wisner, the former U.S. envoy to Egypt, said that Egypt should seize the opportunity.
"[It's] a second chance," he said. "One worth achieving, and there's a chance Egypt can do it.

Last week, Egypt's acting foreign minister, Mohamed Kamel Amr, said that there would be a "maximum of six to seven months" before new presidential elections are held.

"It's an adventuresome goal, but it's not impossible," Wisner said in reaction. "Much of the construction has already been written, Egypt has a very sophisticated election machinery."
What is critical between now and then, Wisner said, was consensus-building.
"I can't predict what the Muslim Brothers will do," he said. "I know they are being called upon to join. But it is an opportunity for Egypt to bind up its wounds and come together."
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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After years of 'alliance' General Sisi said "if the US tries to intervene in Egypt Israel "will be wiped of the map"

http://www.egy-press.com/storydetails.as...fEpNGT09e5
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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