Charles Drago Wrote:As you may have noted when reading earlier contributions to this blog, it was Professor Evica who first identified the JFK conspiracy and prior and subsequent operations as literary constructs -- replete with all the essential elements not just of drama, but also of the impressario's trade.
I didn't get that far yet, but he's right. As for genre, pulp pot-boiler seems to fit the bill, with some psychological thriller elements. Viewing frame 315 of the Zapgun-pruder film, I'm inclined to say it's science fiction rather than a downhill motor race.
Seriously, while the JFK assassination drama may incorporate potboiler elements, it is in fact far more serious and accomplished than most genre fiction. (Are you aware that, when asked why he never examined the events of 11/22/63 in his fiction, John Le Carre noted that it would be "too difficult"?) Its mythic structures are worthy of Joseph Campbell, its characterizations are profoundly indebted to Shakespeare (Ruby as Falstaff? Angel and Leopoldo as Rozencrantz and Guildenstern? For starters?).
And of keenest interest to me are its uses of doppelganger elements -- characters and incidents, from two (at least) LHOs to multiple plots (Chicago, Miami, Dallas).
The literary pretensions of Messrs. Phillips, Hunt, and Shaw are well documented, as are the poetic inclinations of Jay Jay Angleton.
Dallas was a Passion play.
And still we come to that city to make the Stations of the Crossfire.
Charles Drago Wrote:Seriously, while the JFK assassination drama may incorporate potboiler elements, it is in fact far more serious and accomplished than most genre fiction. (Are you aware that, when asked why he never examined the events of 11/22/63 in his fiction, John Le Carre noted that it would be "too difficult"?) Its mythic structures are worthy of Joseph Campbell, its characterizations are profoundly indebted to Shakespeare (Ruby as Falstaff? Angel and Leopoldo as Rozencrantz and Guildenstern? For starters?).
And of keenest interest to me are its uses of doppelganger elements -- characters and incidents, from two (at least) LHOs to multiple plots (Chicago, Miami, Dallas).
The literary pretensions of Messrs. Phillips, Hunt, and Shaw are well documented, as are the poetic inclinations of Jay Jay Angleton.
Dallas was a Passion play.
And still we come to that city to make the Stations of the Crossfire.
You're right of course. It's more complicated than most pulps, but shares a certain kind of ambition. I'm not well versed in Shakespeare, or the Assassination Plot for that matter.
Was Angleton the counter-intel guy at CIA who turned out to be the Soviet mole himself? I can't keep them all straight. On a side note, Harriman was a US ambassador during WWII and cut a deal with Stalin for a Jewish homeland in the USSR, in Crimea. Wild Bill Donovan supposedly had good contacts in the NKVD (they probably considered him a foolish Amerian cowboy type) and after the third attempt on Patton wasn't a charm, supposedly had the NKVD send in a man to rub him out in his hospital bed. Funny how the OSS played it when they became CIA: they renounced Soviet friendship and claimed Roosevelt's administration left Truman with a bunch of Soviet spies in high offices.
Sort of reminds me of the old idea of a Communist under cover denouncing political opponents as Communists knowing full well they are not. It doesn't matter how they're denounced, as long as a Party man remains in factual control of the situation. Not that Communist has any meaning in real life.
Interesting that Bush was head of the CIA and became president at the same time Gorbachev, former KGB head, was secretary general, especially keeping mind Kennedy and Krushchev were removed from office within about a year of each other. Interesting as well that all the "revolutions" in Eastern Europe were top-down, on Gorby's command via telephone usually. Even those with the most versimilitude, Romania and Lithuania, were staged, in Romania by military leaders with a preexisting coup plan, in Lithuania by deep cover KGB posing as national leaders.
I know these topics are separate threads elsewhere on the forum, but Crisman seems as good a moment as any to tie them together a bit.
07-09-2009, 01:13 PM (This post was last modified: 07-09-2009, 01:16 PM by David Guyatt.)
Helen, I've been absent for two months and have only just got back in circuation, so please forgive the delay in responding to your post. My comments in red below
Helen Reyes Wrote:
David Guyatt Wrote:The Deros story is very reminiscent of the Agartha myth and I very much suspect that is actually the true root of it. If that is the case then we are looking at the same general occult grouping that sits around Martinism or splinter groups thereof.
True, good call, but Crisman was doing something else here. Rene Guenon in Lord of the World (Le Roi du Monde, recently mistranslated/mistitled as King of the World) even supplies the Gypsy connexion: he calls them a people in tribulation who had formerly lived in Agartha. Shaver was more Agarthic, while Crisman was talking about the "mek": the lasers in Burma and those that he said caused the Army Air Corps craft to crash, killing the two airmen near Kelso, Washington.
This was in 1947 and earlier, before lasers were invented.
Crisman seems to have been a veteran of the OSS in China/Indochina. That puts him close company with E Howard Hunt and some other important CIA figures. Hunt also went in for writing thrillers and probably knew or even contributed to the Shaver cycle.
E Howard Hunt also, intriguingly, wrote three occult novels under the non de plume of David St. John. These were Diabolus, Sorcerers and Coven. They were not very well written nor did the reflect deep knowledge of the subject matter. But it remains more than interesting that he chose to write on the subject at all and I still wonder what truly motivated his foray into the occult world.
Bannister was somehow involved keeping Paperclip secret. Maury Island is a stone's skip away from old Boeing Field. Dahl went silent and then disappeared because he had a visitation from the first Man in Black the day after Maury who told him everything that happened in detail and warned Dahl to keep silent to save himself and his family.
Ray Palmer is anonymously credited in the internet document Secrets of the Mojave because he advocated for Navajo rights and support. Shaverism is grounded more in the native American cave tradition than in Traditionalism. Fortean Times has done some work documenting this native American tradition from the European American side. Art Bell's Mel's Hole series also belongs in it. If you read Palmer's editorials in Amazing after June, 1947, he begins to hint at a dangerous fifth column taking shape in America, foreign nationals wielding "dero mek". He's hinting at Paperclip Nazis with saucer technology.
Please elucidate on "dero mek". I can find no reference to it anywhere on the internet (Google returns this page only) and am unfamiliar with the term.
I think if you look into it, Garrison and Bannister were both working for the FBI in Washington state in 1947, and both had contact of some kind with Crisman.
Yup, seems more than likely.
Palmer was discredited by some over Maury Island because he "lost" the physical evidence. His special blowout Shaver issue of June, 1947, was plagued by all sorts of dirty tricks, printer devils, imps of the perverse, mysterious disappearances, gremlins, deroes or g-men, Palmer never specifies. truly wyrd stuff. the kind of manifestation john keel should be interested in.
From what little I have read about the Shaver mystery it is just another twist/retelling of the Nazi Agartthi/Shambala-cum-hollow Earth stories that became popular post WWII, and which have an occult root dating from far earlier times. I believe this is not dissimilar to the story of Atlantis, the sunken city and many of those who follow Agartha also favour Atlantean mythology. Alexandre Saint-Yves d'Alveydre was, of course, a long serving occultist who began the whole Synarchy concept and whose follower Papus, adapted his teachings to found Martinism -- one of, if not the principal occult orders that has a long term political agenda (most stay well clear of politics).
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
07-09-2009, 01:31 PM (This post was last modified: 07-09-2009, 01:33 PM by David Guyatt.)
Helen Reyes Wrote:In the summer of 46 Amazing carried a story by a German author named Heinrich Hauser (HH could mean Heil Hitler) called Agarthi ("Hidden in caves under Germany there were great factories turning out monstrous V-7 atomic rockets to blast the whole world"). That summer there was also a last-page feature called King of the World based on Guenon (but hailing from Venus), and mention of Alexandre Saint Yves d'Alveydre, who made a report on Agartha in the 19th century that Guenon cites.
The story Agarthi is in the same issue as Crisman's first letter, June of 46.
See Wiki entry for Heinrich Hauser, a possible candidate for the cited article.
Heinrich Himmler was famous for signing his documents in green pencil with the initials "HH" per the below.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
The FBI became involved in investigating Crisman originally because he applied for a job at a facility protected under the Atomic Energy Act of 1946--probably Boeing in Seattle. His application was made at some point prior to his decision to return to school in Oregon, as he reported to the FBI in August 1947.
Page 9 is interesting; it says Crisman was employed by Dahl, not the other way around. Dahl was rumored to be a black market operator during the war.
Ray Palmer was then working for Ziff-Davis Publishing, publisher of Fantasy and Venture.
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