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http://www.atvaudio.com/ata_search.php
enter the date 11 / 22 / 1963 and it will turn up audio of apparently lost visual TV image reports. I haven't yet found anything of notable interest, but there may be tidbits here and there.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Oh. I typed it in the wrong box... It's working now.
Wow this is quite a goldmine. Thank Peter for sharing this.
I shall explore these recordings.....
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I have an idea. You know the people who claim to have seen another film of the assassination (or another version of the Zapruder film), well you think it's worth entering the date on which these people saw the programme containing this 'secret' film?
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T Harry Evans Wrote:I have an idea. You know the people who claim to have seen another film of the assassination (or another version of the Zapruder film), well you think it's worth entering the date on which these people saw the programme containing this 'secret' film?
No!!!!!!!, NO ONE EVER SAID THEY SAW IT ON TV - all were shown it privately - VERY privately!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:No!!!!!!!, NO ONE EVER SAID THEY SAW IT ON TV - all were shown it privately - VERY privately! Alright, firstly you should NEVER talk to me like that. It is extremely rude, hostile and IMMATURE. I never thought I would encounter such a thing in a civilised forum. Secondly, what you just said is utter NONSENSE. I'm actually mates with an online JFK researcher who saw the film back in the 80s on TV.
I'll show him what you wrote, and I'll invite him to reply.
Oh, and here is my proof that others DO claim this:
Dawn Meredith: The one person I know who viewed it- Millie Cranor- did so at someone's office, I believe a television station, so she was not in a position to grab it and make a copy.
Bernice Moore: ...i finally dug it up and milicent cranor saw the other film, on the premises of NBC...WERE OTHER FILMS TAKEN THAT DAY AS MY Hubby, Dad and I Saw ANOTHER ON Canadian telly, not the other film but one taken from the South side,filming towards the fence.taken from down towards the underpass, from the other side of Elm, the view that we caught was of the limo taking off, speeding away
Next time, I suggest you get your facts right before ranting and shouting.
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This is a really good example of the unreliablity of human memory. People who claim to have seen a different Zapruder film on TV, fer chrissakes. They may have viewed the Muchmore, Nix or Bronson films, or even some reenactment and gotten it mixed up in their heads.
I once got into an argument with a woman who insisted that she listened to the Beach Boys when she was in high school. Problem is, she graduated from high school in 1957 and they didn't put out their first single until 1961. Perhaps you listened to them in college, I suggested. No, it was in high school, she said - I KNOW, I was there.
Human memory is a very tricky and frail thing, but most people won't admit to it.
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Tracy Riddle Wrote:Human memory is a very tricky and frail thing, but most people won't admit to it.
How very true.
Almost as tricky & frail, indeed, as the provenance of the Zapruder film, but then many researchers won't admit that, either.
Isn't evidence supposed to have a chain of custody? Or am I being too fastidious here?
I think it overwhelmingly likely that an earlier - and different - version of the Z-film appeared on US TV on November 25 & 26, 1963.
Here's why:
Was Muchmore's film shown on WNEW-TV, New York, on November 26, 1963?
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
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Paul Rigby Wrote:I think it overwhelmingly likely that an earlier - and different - version of the Z-film appeared on US TV on November 25 & 26, 1963.
Here's why:
Was Muchmore's film shown on WNEW-TV, New York, on November 26, 1963?
Google Chrome struggles with the edited hyperlink I posted above, so try this instead:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....opic=12216
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"
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(This post was last modified: 06-11-2013, 08:22 AM by Peter Lemkin.)
T Harry Evans Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:No!!!!!!!, NO ONE EVER SAID THEY SAW IT ON TV - all were shown it privately - VERY privately! Alright, firstly you should NEVER talk to me like that. It is extremely rude, hostile and IMMATURE. I never thought I would encounter such a thing in a civilised forum. Secondly, what you just said is utter NONSENSE. I'm actually mates with an online JFK researcher who saw the film back in the 80s on TV.
I'll show him what you wrote, and I'll invite him to reply.
Oh, and here is my proof that others DO claim this:
Dawn Meredith: The one person I know who viewed it- Millie Cranor- did so at someone's office, I believe a television station, so she was not in a position to grab it and make a copy.
Bernice Moore: ...i finally dug it up and milicent cranor saw the other film, on the premises of NBC...WERE OTHER FILMS TAKEN THAT DAY AS MY Hubby, Dad and I Saw ANOTHER ON Canadian telly, not the other film but one taken from the South side,filming towards the fence.taken from down towards the underpass, from the other side of Elm, the view that we caught was of the limo taking off, speeding away
Next time, I suggest you get your facts right before ranting and shouting.
Relax. One person's 'hostility' is another person's being 'emphatic'. The first showing to my knowledge of any Z-film on TV in the USA was March 6, 1975 on Geraldo's show. It was shown a month earlier in Oz, and had to be subpeoned by Garrison for the Clay Shaw Trial to be seen and pried into the public, at all.
Despite what you say, I'm not aware, to the best of my knowledge, that any of the approx 12 (to maybe 20 persons, max.) who have claimed publicly or semi-publicly to have seen the 'other Z film' or the 'other film' saw it on TV. All, to my knowledge saw it shown as a film in private showings and were all told NOT to disclose the showing; or that no one would believe them if they did - or both.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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T Harry Evans Wrote:Peter Lemkin Wrote:No!!!!!!!, NO ONE EVER SAID THEY SAW IT ON TV - all were shown it privately - VERY privately! Alright, firstly you should NEVER talk to me like that. It is extremely rude, hostile and IMMATURE. I never thought I would encounter such a thing in a civilised forum. Secondly, what you just said is utter NONSENSE. I'm actually mates with an online JFK researcher who saw the film back in the 80s on TV.
I'll show him what you wrote, and I'll invite him to reply.
Oh, and here is my proof that others DO claim this:
Dawn Meredith: The one person I know who viewed it- Millie Cranor- did so at someone's office, I believe a television station, so she was not in a position to grab it and make a copy.
Bernice Moore: ...i finally dug it up and milicent cranor saw the other film, on the premises of NBC...WERE OTHER FILMS TAKEN THAT DAY AS MY Hubby, Dad and I Saw ANOTHER ON Canadian telly, not the other film but one taken from the South side,filming towards the fence.taken from down towards the underpass, from the other side of Elm, the view that we caught was of the limo taking off, speeding away
Next time, I suggest you get your facts right before ranting and shouting.
to be fair in the evidence you just presented nobody said they saw it on TV, they said they saw it at TV stations, perhaps you misunderstood?
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