Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
FBI Evidence Proves Oswald's Ammunition was not Capable of Sufficient Accuracy to Kill JFK
John Lewis Wrote:
Bob Prudhomme Wrote:Sorry, John, I didn't quite catch the names of the shooting clubs you operate, or the business name you operate under as a Registered Firearms Dealer. Could you repeat them for us?

Now you are just being childish - you know perfectly well that I didn't give them.

JL.

Perhaps you could give them to us then? I may wish to go shooting next time I go to the UK. Or purchase a firearm from you.
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964
Reply
Bob, John,

I am not at all gun knowledgeable and certainly not with regards to the MC and all the details that go with it. It is very difficult for me to summarize the argument that each of you is putting forth. I would appreciate it if you could at least summarize what is at stake here.

John, a question. You seem to be saying that the MC of 6th floor of the TSBD was used to shoot at JFK and that all three shots came from that gun?
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
Reply
Bob Prudhomme Wrote:
John Lewis Wrote:
Bob Prudhomme Wrote:Sorry, John, I didn't quite catch the names of the shooting clubs you operate, or the business name you operate under as a Registered Firearms Dealer. Could you repeat them for us?

Now you are just being childish - you know perfectly well that I didn't give them.

JL.

Perhaps you could give them to us then? I may wish to go shooting next time I go to the UK. Or purchase a firearm from you.

I could but I'm not going to for reasons which I'm sure are pretty obvious to anyone reading this. Of course, you'll protest that the reasons aren't obvious to you so I'll waste several paragraphs worth of time telling you which will just make the thread look untidy.

JL.
Reply
John Lewis Wrote:
Bob Prudhomme Wrote:
John Lewis Wrote:
Bob Prudhomme Wrote:Sorry, John, I didn't quite catch the names of the shooting clubs you operate, or the business name you operate under as a Registered Firearms Dealer. Could you repeat them for us?

Now you are just being childish - you know perfectly well that I didn't give them.

JL.

Perhaps you could give them to us then? I may wish to go shooting next time I go to the UK. Or purchase a firearm from you.

I could but I'm not going to for reasons which I'm sure are pretty obvious to anyone reading this. Of course, you'll protest that the reasons aren't obvious to you so I'll waste several paragraphs worth of time telling you which will just make the thread look untidy.

JL.

You sound very experienced at this game, John. Did you really come to this forum just to get advice on a rifle you'd like to purchase?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

Warren Commission testimony of Secret Service Agent Clinton J. Hill, 1964
Reply
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Bob, John,

I am not at all gun knowledgeable and certainly not with regards to the MC and all the details that go with it. It is very difficult for me to summarize the argument that each of you is putting forth. I would appreciate it if you could at least summarize what is at stake here.

John, a question. You seem to be saying that the MC of 6th floor of the TSBD was used to shoot at JFK and that all three shots came from that gun?


Nope, not at all. What I am categorically not saying is that the shots (or any shots) came from that rifle.

The gist of the discussion is that Bob is saying that the shots categorically could not have come from that rifle due to the internal design of it's barrel and the size of the particular projectiles which were alleged to have travelled through it.

I am saying that he is wrong in that conclusion. Putting it simply, he asserts that the bullet (the projectile) is too small and would not be sufficiently stabilised by the barrel to fly in a straight line and would have deviated by a wide enough margin as it would be incapable of hitting JFK.

My point is that he is wrong. I know for an absolute fact that he is wrong because I have a rifle which fires a very similar cartridge with an almost identically dimensioned barrel and an essentially identical bullet to the one which Oswald is alleged to have fired yet it is perfectly accurate. Moreover, this dimensional difference between bullet size and internal barrel size is actually the norm and is even legally mandated by the proof authorities (the people who test the safety of all new arms) in 14 countries of the World including most of Western Europe.

In short; Bob is saying that the alleged shots could not have come from the rifle alleged to have been used by LHO. I am saying that his reasoning which brought him to that conclusion is incorrect.

JL.
Reply
John Lewis Wrote:
Lauren Johnson Wrote:Bob, John,

I am not at all gun knowledgeable and certainly not with regards to the MC and all the details that go with it. It is very difficult for me to summarize the argument that each of you is putting forth. I would appreciate it if you could at least summarize what is at stake here.

John, a question. You seem to be saying that the MC of 6th floor of the TSBD was used to shoot at JFK and that all three shots came from that gun?


Nope, not at all. What I am categorically not saying is that the shots (or any shots) came from that rifle.

The gist of the discussion is that Bob is saying that the shots categorically could not have come from that rifle due to the internal design of it's barrel and the size of the particular projectiles which were alleged to have travelled through it.

I am saying that he is wrong in that conclusion. Putting it simply, he asserts that the bullet (the projectile) is too small and would not be sufficiently stabilised by the barrel to fly in a straight line and would have deviated by a wide enough margin as it would be incapable of hitting JFK.

My point is that he is wrong. I know for an absolute fact that he is wrong because I have a rifle which fires a very similar cartridge with an almost identically dimensioned barrel and an essentially identical bullet to the one which Oswald is alleged to have fired yet it is perfectly accurate. Moreover, this dimensional difference between bullet size and internal barrel size is actually the norm and is even legally mandated by the proof authorities (the people who test the safety of all news arms) in 14 countries of the World including most of Western Europe.

In short; Bob is saying that the alleged shots could not have come from the rifle alleged to have been used by LHO. I am saying that his reasoning which brought him to that conclusion is incorrect.

JL.

Bob, is John adequately summarizing your position?
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
Reply
Bob Prudhomme Wrote:
John Lewis Wrote:
Bob Prudhomme Wrote:
John Lewis Wrote:Now you are just being childish - you know perfectly well that I didn't give them.

JL.

Perhaps you could give them to us then? I may wish to go shooting next time I go to the UK. Or purchase a firearm from you.

I could but I'm not going to for reasons which I'm sure are pretty obvious to anyone reading this. Of course, you'll protest that the reasons aren't obvious to you so I'll waste several paragraphs worth of time telling you which will just make the thread look untidy.

JL.

You sound very experienced at this game, John. Did you really come to this forum just to get advice on a rifle you'd like to purchase?

No, and at no point did I say that I did. I said I found it whilst looking for information on the rifle.

What 'game' are you referring to? This is simply a discussion about firearms and ballistics, as far as I'm concerned. I wasn't aware we were playing a game.

JL.
Reply
There is also this (which I've said earlier in this thread IIRC): It doesn't matter if the rifle/ammunition is "accurate enough to do the job" if in fact the rifle/ammo combination DID do the job. Oswald (or whoever) could have been aiming at Jackie, or LBJ, or Zapruder, or anything else, and still managed to shoot JFK. Let's work on eliminating the MC 91/38 with WCC ammo as the assassination weapon, as opposed to reducing the chance that a serious assassin would choose that combination.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
Reply
John Lewis Wrote:I have a rifle which fires a very similar cartridge with an almost identically dimensioned barrel and an essentially identical bullet to the one which Oswald is alleged to have fired yet it is perfectly accurate.

JL.

I am in no way a weapons expert, but I consider myself a critical thinker. Very similar, almost and essentially in no way make for a perfect comparison.
Reply
Apparently related and current article:
http://kegisland.com/carcano-ammo-warnin...tizan.html
Reply


Possibly Related Threads…
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Oswald and the Order Forms Gil Jesus 4 101 22-12-2024, 06:27 PM
Last Post: Brian Doyle
  Stancak Posts False Prayer Man Evidence On Education Forum Brian Doyle 4 751 29-11-2024, 12:44 PM
Last Post: Brian Doyle
  If the case against Oswald was legitimate Gil Jesus 0 253 04-07-2024, 12:11 PM
Last Post: Gil Jesus
  The Fiber Evidence Gil Jesus 0 286 10-06-2024, 11:49 AM
Last Post: Gil Jesus
  Evidence of a Frontal Shot --- Part V/Conclusion Gil Jesus 0 416 05-03-2024, 02:07 PM
Last Post: Gil Jesus
  Evidence of a Frontal Shot --- Part IV / The X-Rays Gil Jesus 0 331 02-03-2024, 02:16 PM
Last Post: Gil Jesus
  Evidence of a Frontal Shot --Part III: The Autopsy Photos Gil Jesus 0 359 27-02-2024, 01:40 PM
Last Post: Gil Jesus
  Evidence of a Frontal Shot --- Part II / The Exit Wound Gil Jesus 0 396 14-02-2024, 01:31 PM
Last Post: Gil Jesus
  Evidence of a Frontal Shot --- Part I / The Entry Wound Gil Jesus 0 392 06-02-2024, 02:32 PM
Last Post: Gil Jesus
  Why the Government's Case Against Oswald is BS --- Part III Gil Jesus 0 529 10-12-2023, 12:08 PM
Last Post: Gil Jesus

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)